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Stop looking at flesh and blood and saying there's God. Philip tried doing that and couldn't see God. Who mentioned anything about earning there way to heaven?. I'm talking about living the way here, by knowledge of the Father, instead of the knowledge of how you see yourself and others in the flesh.
I'm only telling you what Jesus actually said. You can choose to believe him, or not.
I have been doing my fair share of research about the Bible lately in order to get a better understanding and just now I had a thought pop into my head so I thought I'd post it here. If God gave Moses the Ten Commandments as specific instructions to follow and rules to live by, why not do the same thing with the Bible? Wouldn't it be easier to understand?
Where did you get that idea? From Chrstian books? Oh wait, the Ten Commandments movie had it that way, didn't it?
We Jews know that G-d dictated and taught every single word found in the Torah to Moses during the 40 days he was atop Mount Sinai. G-d also taught Moses the entire Oral Torah, which today is summarized in the Talmud, during those same 40 days.
Your "Old Testament" is not a Jewish work, and we Jews do not hold by that as a reliable text. Maybe that's where you got your info?
Where did you get that idea? From Chrstian books? Oh wait, the Ten Commandments movie had it that way, didn't it?
We Jews know that G-d dictated and taught every single word found in the Torah to Moses during the 40 days he was atop Mount Sinai. G-d also taught Moses the entire Oral Torah, which today is summarized in the Talmud, during those same 40 days.
Your "Old Testament" is not a Jewish work, and we Jews do not hold by that as a reliable text. Maybe that's where you got your info?
With all due respect, this is not the Judaism forum, and I have not seen that movie.
With all due respect, this is not the Judaism forum, and I have not seen that movie.
I know it's not my forum. But also with all due respect, how do you expect me to remain quiet when this thread slanders the good book with such blatant misinformation?
I have been doing my fair share of research about the Bible lately in order to get a better understanding and just now I had a thought pop into my head so I thought I'd post it here. If God gave Moses the Ten Commandments as specific instructions to follow and rules to live by, why not do the same thing with the Bible? Wouldn't it be easier to understand?
Maybe it's because the book, the commandments of the OT, failed, at least in a non-Jews eyes, at getting to the core of the ethical and metaphysical questions of life. To answer that, we must turn to ideas instead of actions. To demonstrate ideas, we use metaphors and analogies, or parables and stories. People then mistakenly turn these metaphors back into commandments, and end up with an even stranger, and I say a less true, way of living than with the OT commandments.
"Why did God not send the Bible like he did the Ten Commandments?"
Actually Jews believe God sent the whole Torah when he gave those tablets to Mosses not just the ones we call the 10 commandments.
Jews claim the whole of the Torah was given to Israel in one utterance from Yahweh, but it has not always been in written form, they retold it verbally to their descendants until a time when they felt the need to preserve it in writing. The Written Torah however still didn't present the exact message and to understand it instruction was needed thus the existence of what they call the Oral Torah.
It is believed by those who hold the Tanakh and New Testament as Scriptures that God sent Revelations to his Prophets and that those Prophets wrote them down for us as time went. Some of these Revelations where only given to a few people or one person where as Jews believe the Torah was Revealed publicly to Israel all at one time.
I know it's not my forum. But also with all due respect, how do you expect me to remain quiet when this thread slanders the good book with such blatant misinformation?
With all due respect to your traditions, flipflop . . . what you call the "good book" has some of the most heinous and evil depictions of atrocities committed either by God or by humans in compliance with God's mandates. I have a hard time understanding how anyone can accept these depictions as the dictates of God. However, the dictates of Christ in the Sermon on the Mount or in 1 Cor 13 have such intrinsic "goodness" I have no trouble accepting them as dictates from God. It is all a matter of what kind of God you are willing to accept.
I know it's not my forum. But also with all due respect, how do you expect me to remain quiet when this thread slanders the good book with such blatant misinformation?
the same way we Christians have to when it comes to the NT or those who slander the Bible day in and day out in this forum with their vomitous slanders of barbaric writers \ people's understanding of the scriptures generation past.
With all due respect to your traditions, flipflop . . . what you call the "good book" has some of the most heinous and evil depictions of atrocities committed either by God or by humans in compliance with God's mandates. I have a hard time understanding how anyone can accept these depictions as the dictates of God. However, the dictates of Christ in the Sermon on the Mount or in 1 Cor 13 have such intrinsic "goodness" I have no trouble accepting them as dictates from God. It is all a matter of what kind of God you are willing to accept.
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the same way we Christians have to when it comes to the NT or those who slander the Bible day in and day out in this forum with their vomitous slanders of barbaric writers \ people's understanding of the scriptures generation past.
With all due respect, Twin . . . it is your ability and willingness to accept the barbaric and savage beliefs and superstitions about God that our ignorant ancient ancestors accepted that I find incredible in this day and age. They are completely incompatible with Christ's Sermon on the Mount and 1 Cor 13 . . . among the other unambiguous aspects of Christ's life, teachings and death. I simply cannot understand how you can claim to be a Christian who follows Christ while retaining such savage beliefs about God. Flipflop is more understandable because he rejects Christ.
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