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What do you mean 1800 years ago ? I believe their still called heretic in 2014....
My comment was in response to someone suggesting that today's Christians are somehow off-track compared to the early Christians. My point was that the early Christians would have considered him a heretic, as well.
My comment was in response to someone suggesting that today's Christians are somehow off-track compared to the early Christians. My point was that the early Christians would have considered him a heretic, as well.
Says the guy that likely would have been called a heretic 1800 years ago.
Supposed Heretics have been hung, drawn and quartered burnt at the stake and murdered in all manner of ways, by those who wrongly thought they were heretics, and in doing so thought they were doing God a service. The irony is they were murdered by those who thought they had the truth
Says the guy that likely would have been called a heretic 1800 years ago.
Thinking that the judgment and evaluations of our ignorant ancestors 1800 years ago is something to worry about today reveals a lack of common sense and appreciation for the advances in knowledge and understanding achieved during those 1800 years.
I'm not sure if ignorance is the providence of the OT. However, The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
I personally believe that God spoke to certain people such as Moses, David, the OT prophets, the writers of the NT, etc., and they either wrote what they heard down, or it was written by someone that was hearing the words from the person that received the word. And the Word of God is a person...Jesus; the Bible is just a portion of what He is.
That being said, the Bibles that we now have are not original, and we have no copies of the originals. Everything has been copied or translated, and as with everything that humans touch, error enters. But, in that context, I believe that God's plan, ideas, and most words are still viable for faith and learning, as long as we humble ourselves and be very cautious of the possibility of error. I can never stand on anything written in the Bible as absolutely, positively, without a doubt, the way God totally meant it, but with the help of the Holy Spirit, and realizing that God is NOT a God of confusion, I must use the Bible in a way that is harmonious within it's pages, and also realize that God knew before it was written, that it would not be exact by any means. I also realize that I can use texts that are older and closer in meaning to the original, such as Greek and Hebrew, but also with caution. When I read a passage from the Bible, and what I seem to be understanding conflicts with the whole body and purpose of scripture, I have to shelve that understanding and ask God to help me understand it. It may, and has, taken years for that answer to come, but eventually, with persistence, the answer will come. This seems to be a problem with so many Christians today, in that they learn a passage in a certain way, and they refuse to see it in a different light, even though it conflicts with the harmony of the book. And on the other side, there are those that don't look for this harmony, (which is very complex; we're dealing with a God of infinite intelligence), and they water things down so much, that the harmony is ruined in that way.
A good example of this is the Olivet Discourse in Matt. 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. After paralleling the verses in these 3 gospels, I realized that God used Matthew, Mark, and Luke to show us things that are not contradictory, but that reveal things that would not be know if they were exact replicas of each other. Each writer wrote down what he had heard from their own perspective, and some of the insights are incredible and also show the meaning of many things in this prophetic section that verify other scripture.
I personally believe that God spoke to certain people such as Moses, David, the OT prophets, the writers of the NT, etc., and they either wrote what they heard down, or it was written by someone that was hearing the words from the person that received the word. And the Word of God is a person...Jesus; the Bible is just a portion of what He is.
That being said, the Bibles that we now have are not original, and we have no copies of the originals.
What I find interesting is that the texts found at Qumran are nearly identical to what we have today thus showing that very little copying errors were made in over 2000 years from then to today.
01-09-2014, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
What I find interesting is that the texts found at Qumran are nearly identical to what we have today thus showing that very little copying errors were made in over 2000 years from then to today.
Not true:
RE: Jeremiah
The LXX is about 1/8 shorter than the MT (which constitutes hundreds of verses), its order of the chapters is different, and the material within the chapters is different.
Many of the Hebrew texts at Qumran agree with the LXX against MT. We know that the NT writers used and preferred the LXX and ¾ of its OT quotes are from the LXX not the MT.
This forum should be called the "Attack Christianity" forum. That's all you folks come here for. Did you never consider that puts you in opposition to God. Nobody that KNOWS that the Bible is God's word and is completely reliable cares anything about your screaming and shouting and constant attacks on God and His word. And besides that, anyone who thinks they can fight God and win is only fooling themselves.
RESPONSE:
The basic flaw in you argument is that somehow God inspired or had anything to do with the Bible.
When one realizes this, continuing to claim the bible as the source of one's belief system is intellectually dishonest.
Of course those who "KNOW" that the Bible is God's word don't seem to be able to prove it, perhaps because it really isn't so after all.
Well, Jesus tells us to be just like His heavenly Father in heaven. So I guess if He tortures people in fire, we should do the same thing. I've got the wood. You got the matches?
Eusebius, You're just a chip off the old block and don't know what spirit you are of
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