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Others around here tend to not be as snippy and arrogant. He is constantly telling me I'm stupid, and others their religion is dumb and that Christians in general are idiots.
God hovers over the deep and says let there be light and the light is good and God calls the light day and the darkness night. There was an evening and there was a morning - the first day.
The sun however, is not created until day 4. How can you have a daytime and nighttime without the sun?
Plus, it seems the Earth is created before the rest of the universe. It says on day 4 the sun, moon and stars are created.
Zero did you ever think that Genesis 1 is speaking of the new heaven and earth.
God hovers over the deep and says let there be light and the light is good and God calls the light day and the darkness night. There was an evening and there was a morning - the first day.
The sun however, is not created until day 4. How can you have a daytime and nighttime without the sun?
Plus, it seems the Earth is created before the rest of the universe. It says on day 4 the sun, moon and stars are created.
Just as the spirit vibrated over the face of the waters using vibrational frequencies to separate the waters so dry land could appear, so also the spirit of God made a vibrational wave form to produce light where there was none.
Just as the spirit vibrated over the face of the waters using vibrational frequencies to separate the waters so dry land could appear, so also the spirit of God made a vibrational wave form to produce light where there was none.
Careful Euseby..... you are beginning to sound like a new ager.
The Revelation, or Apocalypse of Man's theologies.
Let's set aside the totally irrelevant sneering at human pollution as though that somehow made religion more credible, and let's skip Vizio's cunning squabble to score ponts without needing to discuss the subject and let's see what Genesis says.
God created light. But not just Cosmic light or his own light (undetectable today) but a light that was separated from the dark and called day and the darkness Night. But it is not until the fourth day that the Sun, Moon and other celestial bodies were created. How you could have day and night before the sun existed is beyond me. If God worked a miracle to have a simulated sunshine and absence of it to establish morning, day, evening and night days before he got around to creating the objects that cause it, one can only ask why? Why not simply make the sun and moon and stars and use them to produce day and night? Just as it happens now? And just describe what happens now. Then we could say nothing.
What we can say now is that all kinds of apologetic back -flipping is going on to try to avoid what is glaringly obvious - this is the best guess by people who did not know how and why we have light and dark.
I enlarged it to make it a bit easier to read. It is really no more than the common ploy of re-writing Genesis to make it fit evolution: pretty radically - it seems that the celestial bodies are made to look like the Pre-Cambrian cells by finding a description that fits them both - 'small round objects' - 'small' being fiddled to mean 'appearing small because of great distance'.
God hovers over the deep and says let there be light and the light is good and God calls the light day and the darkness night. There was an evening and there was a morning - the first day.
The sun however, is not created until day 4. How can you have a daytime and nighttime without the sun?
Plus, it seems the Earth is created before the rest of the universe. It says on day 4 the sun, moon and stars are created.
Yet Genesis 1:1 states God created the heavens (the celestial bodies of which suns are part of) and the earth
The fourth day does not mean the sun was created at that time because Genesis 1:3 already tells us that there was light and before that the Bible starts off with Genesis 1:1 which tells us that the celestial bodies and earth were created. Additionally, the Hebrew word bara which means to create is used in Genesis 1:1. In contrast, the Hebrew word asah (found in the later verses which give some the impression that the sun, moon, etc were created at that time) does NOT mean to create but accomplish,appoint etc. As further support Job 37:9 states God swaddled the earth in thick gloom and clouds and that coincides with what science indicates was the condition of the early earth atmosphere. Thus, the sun, moon, stars etc would not have been visible but there would be light as indicated in Genesis 1:3. By "day 4" the sun, moon, stars,etc became visible. This would be in line with what science indicates about the earth's atmosphere evolving over a very long time, billion plus years, going from a thick methane haze and eventually clearing to reveal blue skies and the accompanying luminaries in the sky.
Yet Genesis 1:1 states God created the heavens (the celestial bodies of which suns are part of) and the earth
The fourth day does not mean the sun was created at that time because Genesis 1:3 already tells us that there was light and before that the Bible starts off with Genesis 1:1 which tells us that the celestial bodies and earth were created. Additionally, the Hebrew word bara which means to create is used in Genesis 1:1. In contrast, the Hebrew word asah (found in the later verses which give some the impression that the sun, moon, etc were created at that time) does NOT mean to create but accomplish,appoint etc. As further support Job 37:9 states God swaddled the earth in thick gloom and clouds and that coincides with what science indicates was the condition of the early earth atmosphere. Thus, the sun, moon, stars etc would not have been visible but there would be light as indicated in Genesis 1:3. By "day 4" the sun, moon, stars,etc became visible. This would be in line with what science indicates about the earth's atmosphere evolving over a very long time, billion plus years, going from a thick methane haze and eventually clearing to reveal blue skies and the accompanying luminaries in the sky.
Everything was created on the first day and then put into place at the proper time...
God hovers over the deep and says let there be light and the light is good and God calls the light day and the darkness night. There was an evening and there was a morning - the first day.
The sun however, is not created until day 4. How can you have a daytime and nighttime without the sun?
Plus, it seems the Earth is created before the rest of the universe. It says on day 4 the sun, moon and stars are created.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
Everything was created on the first day...And over a 6 day period everything was put into place...
Hey Richard, are you by chance referring to the Framework Interpretation? I found this article on equip.org that kinda sounds like what you're saying.
In it the author, Dr. Lee Irons, states that a clue
"of the presence of a literary framework is the fact that days one and four are so closely connected that they are best viewed as narrating the same event from different points of view. Day one narrates the creation of light. We are also told that “God separated the light from the darkness” (Gen. 1:4). Day four narrates the creation of the luminaries (the sun, moon, and stars). Strikingly, on day four we are told that the reason God created the luminaries was to accomplish the separation that was already narrated on day one: “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night” (Gen. 1:14). Rather than viewing this as a redundancy, we should recognize that day four is an instance of “temporal recapitulation.” This phenomenon of biblical narrative occurs when the author first narrates an event in summary fashion, continues with subsequent events as the narrative unfolds, and then returns to the initial event to elaborate on it with further detail (e.g., compare Gen. 1:26–27 with 2:5–7, and compare Gen. 2:8–9 with 2:15–17). Days one and four are not referring to different events, but to the same event viewed from different perspectives. Day one narrates the basic result; day four narrates the creation of the mechanism that is the physical cause of that result (e.g., the earth-Sun relationship)."
I faintly recall learning somewhere that Martin Luther King Jr. fought his contemporaries against the view that God created everything in one day, but I never heard his specific argument.
I have also read this article by Ken Ham, which states that
"Genesis 1:3 tells us that God created light on the first day, and the phrase “evening and morning” shows there were alternating periods of light and darkness. Therefore, light was in existence, coming from one direction upon a rotating earth, resulting in the day and night cycle. However, we are told exactly where this light came from. The word for “light” in Genesis 1:3 means the substance of light that was created. Then, on day four in Genesis 1:14–19 we are told of the creation of the sun which was to be the source of light from that time onward. The sun was created to rule the day that already existed."
Honestly, given my studies of the ancient poetry used in the Psalms I would go with the Framework interpretation, except that I also know that the word used for "day" in Genesis 1 is "yom," and in the context of the creation narrative "yom" can only mean a regular day.
Zero 7 - there are a lot of people reading a book called The Lost World of Genesis One, which is supposed to bring a fresh look to the age-old debate (no pun intended). I hope you're getting the answers you're looking for!
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Granpa's explanation.
