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The way the Bible is written would include two witnesses that within the gospels would be Matthew and John.
If you think John was not written as an account of John then prove your case. I say it is John or at least by his direction so prove me wrong or go fly a kite
Fair enough?
So you basically refuse to learn by reading the Bible Study I posted a link to?
FYI, most scholars today do NOT attribute John as Johannine. In any event, the pursuit of knowledge is up to you for your own benefit. It's not about someone else force feeding you.
Are you just being contentious or are you serious ?
If you are serious the best search engine is found on your knees and seeking Jesus Lordship in your life and asking for the infilling of the Holy Spirit to teach you in God's will as Jesus had promised and designated.
Are you just being contentious or are you serious ?
If you are serious the best search engine is found on your knees and seeking Jesus Lordship in your life and asking for the infilling of the Holy Spirit to teach you in God's will as Jesus had promised and designated.
I suggest if you're going to respond to ANY post, you quote it so we ALL know who you are addressing, and in WHAT context.
So you basically refuse to learn by reading the Bible Study I posted a link to?
FYI, most scholars today do NOT attribute John as Johannine. In any event, the pursuit of knowledge is up to you for your own benefit. It's not about someone else force feeding you.
I took a look at it, and I would have preferred the author stick more to making his case with hard facts than explanining how and why a case needs to be made over something when all is said and done has no effect on a persons relationship with the ultimate author of all of the Bible. This author is not alone in his pursuit of trivia as there are likeminded thesis considered suitable for doctorates being handed out over other "who said what" cases rather than students learning the meat needed to be known by teachers who will change the lives of their students
Furthermore, rather than giving so much weight to some events that John was a eyewitness to are not given further redundancy in John, does not support making the case that John not the author! What about the wealth of information John is always revealing that points towards the unveiling of Christ in us found in the Gospel of John? This just happens to be the main theme of Revelation written out by John in allegories and metaphors much of whose origins and truths can only be found through studying the words of the OT prophets.
Proving or disproving an authors identity as popular as it is does not add anything to a persons faith that can only grow on the truth of the word of God. Plainly said the case being made here surrounding the author of the Gospel of John has no bearing on our commandment to worship God in spirit and in truth that is found in John and nowhere else. These words are important and are on par with other of John's teaching on things that matter rather than events that as said in John are to numerous to write them all down.
On the other hand take away all of the authors hype about being a thorough investigator of what is always important to be right about, why pick suck a lame subject that is not a hill to die one?
Once the hype is removed his case for proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that John is not the witness behind the writing of the Gospel of John is IMO not going to sway many juries.
I took a look at it, and I would have preferred the author stick more to making his case with hard facts than explanining how and why a case needs to be made over something when all is said and done has no effect on a persons relationship with the ultimate author of all of the Bible. This author is not alone in his pursuit of trivia as there are likeminded thesis considered suitable for doctorates being handed out over other "who said what" cases rather than students learning the meat needed to be known by teachers who will change the lives of their students
Furthermore, rather than giving so much weight to some events that John was a eyewitness to are not given further redundancy in John, does not support making the case that John not the author! What about the wealth of information John is always revealing that points towards the unveiling of Christ in us found in the Gospel of John? This just happens to be the main theme of Revelation written out by John in allegories and metaphors much of whose origins and truths can only be found through studying the words of the OT prophets.
Proving or disproving an authors identity as popular as it is does not add anything to a persons faith that can only grow on the truth of the word of God. Plainly said the case being made here surrounding the author of the Gospel of John has no bearing on our commandment to worship God in spirit and in truth that is found in John and nowhere else. These words are important and are on par with other of John's teaching on things that matter rather than events that as said in John are to numerous to write them all down.
On the other hand take away all of the authors hype about being a thorough investigator of what is always important to be right about, why pick suck a lame subject that is not a hill to die one?
Once the hype is removed his case for proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that John is not the witness behind the writing of the Gospel of John is IMO not going to sway many juries.
I have to say that given your conclusions here, I doubt very much you even glanced over it. It's long and VERY detailed.
Are you just being contentious or are you serious ?
If you are serious the best search engine is found on your knees and seeking Jesus Lordship in your life and asking for the infilling of the Holy Spirit to teach you in God's will as Jesus had promised and designated.
Furthermore, rather than giving so much weight to some events that John was a eyewitness to are not given further redundancy in John, does not support making the case that John not the author! What about the wealth of information John is always revealing that points towards the unveiling of Christ in us found in the Gospel of John? This just happens to be the main theme of Revelation written out by John in allegories and metaphors much of whose origins and truths can only be found through studying the words of the OT prophets.
You mean the TaNaKh, don't you?...
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Proving or disproving an authors identity as popular as it is does not add anything to a persons faith that can only grow on the truth of the word of God. Plainly said the case being made here surrounding the author of the Gospel of John has no bearing on our commandment to worship God in spirit and in truth that is found in John and nowhere else. These words are important and are on par with other of John's teaching on things that matter rather than events that as said in John are to numerous to write them all down.
Faith based on falsehoods is no faith at all...
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On the other hand take away all of the authors hype about being a thorough investigator of what is always important to be right about, why pick suck a lame subject that is not a hill to die one?
Once the hype is removed his case for proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that John is not the witness behind the writing of the Gospel of John is IMO not going to sway many juries.
So, if you can't prove otherwise, you just blow smoke???...
I have to say that given your conclusions here, I doubt very much you even glanced over it. It's long and VERY detailed.
Yes it was very long, much longer than it needed to be had it stayed focussed.
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