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Old 03-08-2016, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I'm just amazed to be in the digital presence of greatness.

I mean...dumb little guys like me are easily impressed.
Seriously, Vizio, you only make dumb comments like this occasionally, most of them are only representative of the blinders you wear, not intelligence.
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Old 03-08-2016, 09:02 PM
 
Location: On a road heaven bound !
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Why do you make this faulty accusation? Do you mistake confidence in what we believe to be unexamined, close-minded assertions? I believe what I believe, 1- because of the Holy Spirit in me, and 2- because I have examined these things. Vizio probably more so, because he pastors people.


People who are close minded about this stuff would not be able to stand and explain themselves against the constant barrage of faulty assertions and accusations brought forth here on C-D without having an open mind to examine this stuff in the past.
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Old 03-08-2016, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Why do you make this faulty accusation? Do you mistake confidence in what we believe to be unexamined, close-minded assertions? I believe what I believe, 1- because of the Holy Spirit in me, and 2- because I have examined these things. Vizio probably more so, because he pastors people.


People who are close minded about this stuff would not be able to stand and explain themselves against the constant barrage of faulty assertions and accusations brought forth here on C-D without having an open mind to examine this stuff in the past.
Unfortunately there are quite a few unexamined, close-minded assertions. And refusal to even question any part of Scripture on the part of "bible-believers." So much so that there was a book published in 2011 entitled Banned Questions About the Bible. It has fifty different "questions" and sixteen contributors with regard to answers. The contributors range from several ordained ministers to a professor of communications to the president of Phillips Theological Seminary, a journalist, an artist, a casting director, a couple of book authors, and a lone youth minister. The answers to questions are varied and sometimes offer contrasting points of view. There is a short bio of each one in the contributor list and each was asked to name five things to do to make the world a better place. The bio itself, with its recommendations about DOING something to make the world a better place is well worth the price of the book.

A. J. Jacobs, not a contributor, and author of the book The Year of Living Biblically sums up the work like this:

This book isn't just entertaining and fascinating. It's inspiring and potentially life-changing. Here's my question: Can you be curious and thoughtful about religion and NOT read this book? My answer: No."

A few of the questions tackled in the book are:
Where did Adam and Eve's kids find spouses?
Does God justify violence in Scripture?
Does the Bible call for sexual purity?
Are Hell, Sheol, Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus really the same? Are they all places of torment?
Why would stories like a father handing his daughters over to a crowd to be raped and killed included in the Bible?
Did God write the Bible? If so, why didn't He simply create it miraculously rather than using so many people over thousands of years to write it down?

Truth seekers look for the hardest questions, because they have faith that even if there is no satisfactory answer, questions strengthen faith or uncover the fact that no faith ever existed. Since Jesus claimed to be the truth, failing to seek it is failing to find Christ.

There is also a Banned Questions About Jesus book which I have not yet read.
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Truth seekers look for the hardest questions, because they have faith that even if there is no satisfactory answer, questions strengthen faith or uncover the fact that no faith ever existed. Since Jesus claimed to be the truth, failing to seek it is failing to find Christ.

Seekers of Christ look for Christ, and accept the Word of God by faith - understanding that you cannot please God without faith (Hebrews 11:6) - understanding that we do not lean on our own understanding (Proverbs 3:5).
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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And the question is what we DO lean on; substituting the Bible for the Word or else what is is promised us IN the Bible for us to lean on.
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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And the question is what we DO lean on; substituting the Bible for the Word or else what is is promised us IN the Bible for us to lean on.
Amen, nateswift! DRob, and other fundamentalists are simply too frightened to seek truth in the world or other people. To them it lessens the authority of their idol, the bible. So they use isolated verses of Scripture in an attempt to defend the blindness they embrace with gusto.
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:18 PM
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Location: The Haunted Mansion
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And the question is what we DO lean on; substituting the Bible for the Word or else what is is promised us IN the Bible for us to lean on.
Both, one and the same.
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Seekers of Christ look for Christ, and accept the Word of God by faith - understanding that you cannot please God without faith (Hebrews 11:6) - understanding that we do not lean on our own understanding (Proverbs 3:5).
Christ followers accept JESUS by faith, everything else, even your idol, is subject to His Spirit. You fail to see Christ in other people because that would mean God has revelation in other than Scripture. But that is why Jesus warned in a parable that there would be those who would not see God in the hungry, the homeless, the naked, and the imprisoned.

Instead, fundamentalists are too busy cramming God back into the box of the Bible---while losing any eyes of faith that may have ever existed.
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Both, one and the same.
Ah, jimmie, true to the idol now promoted by your denomination. You cheapen Jesus when you lower Him to what is a pointer toward Him.

Another fundamentalist frightened by the world that Christ came to save.
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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Seriously, Vizio, you only make dumb comments like this occasionally, most of them are only representative of the blinders you wear, not intelligence.
I'm not the one claiming to be able to differentiate between geniuses and dolts based off of a few internet posts, then declare categorically that one people group tends to be smarter than another.
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