Are there actual Bible haters here? Or just those that believe it is not all true? (Tanakh, scripture)
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Why should I believe you over the Apostles?
They claimed to be led by the Spirit.
Like most liberal Christians, you have totally disregarded God’s holiness.
You say, “A loving god would not send people to Hell.”
Perhaps a holy God must.
Matthew 10
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. -Jesus
I'm not asking you to believe me...I said that very thing in my post to you...believe what you want, not trying to change you, my friend.
My ego wants to say, "How dare you say I totally disregard God's Holiness", you little person on a forum
that knows nothing about anyone here, really, and then to make a statement like that, to someone, shame on you.
But, I am not saying that...I will only say...you should be more diplomatic with your words...you repel
people from Jesus....acting as a representative or product of his...sour grapes, bro.
Btw, I am not a liberal Christian...I am not a Christian as defined in 325 ad.
The definition has not changed since then; a definition approved of by a man that didn't even believe in Jesus to end unrest... a good politician/ruler, tho.
I just have not come across a Bible hater, as mentioned here today, and I have been called one
by that same poster....now, some are indifferent, sure...
some here believe it was tampered with, some believe it is a metaphor,
some think it is a fantasy of made up stories blaming God for really bad things,
and many more opinions of the Bible....but, 'haters'?
Anyone care to stand up and say they are or are not?
I'm not. It is a label I don't think accounts for many here.
Simply put it is those that attack a persons Faith that the scriptures are Divinely inspired.
2 Peter 1New International Version (NIV)
1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
2 Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
Confirming One’s Calling and Election
3 His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7 and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
10 Therefore, my brothers and sisters,[a] make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, 11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Prophecy of Scripture
12 So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. 13 I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15 And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.
16 For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”[b] 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Simply put it is those that attack a person's Faith that the scriptures are Divinely inspired.
It does seem and feel like an attack, doesn't it.
We speak what we see as truth, hard not to...and you speak what you see as true, hard not to.
Seems pretty balanced so far here.
That same passage says “All scripture is inspired.”
Inspiration is NOT dictation. It must be interpreted using the existing knowledge (or lack of knowledge) and beliefs of the receiver of the inspirations. As humans, that makes the interpreters fallible, NOT inerrant. That is why JEsus made the true nature of God - the Holy Spirit - unambiguous by His teachings, and ultimately His example. We are to test the Spirit of everything that is claimed to be from God or Jesus with that Holy Spirit of agape love. Anything that is NOT compatible with or consistent with that Holy Spirit of agape love is NOT from God or Jesus, period! Your man-made doctrine that everything in the Bible is the inerrant and infallible word of God is a false and corrupting doctrine.
16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. 17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written...
Re: 2 Tim. 3:16 and “inspired”
What is the excellency of the scripture. It is given by inspiration of God (v. 16), and therefore is His word. It is a divine revelation, which we may depend upon as infallibly true. The same Spirit that breathed reason into us breathes revelation among us: For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men spoke as they were moved or carried forth by the Holy Ghost, 2 Pt. 1:21 . The prophets and apostles did not speak from themselves, but what they received of the Lord that they delivered unto us.
so where does Jesus say GET A BIBLE?
Telling us IT IS WRITTEN is not a directive to .get a BIBLE. Nor did Jesus say, HERE HOLD MY FISH, I AM ABOUT TO SPEW SOME SCRIPTURE..writ this down
so where does Jesus say GET A BIBLE?
Telling us IT IS WRITTEN is not a directive to .get a BIBLE.
Asking for those exact words will not happen.
jimmie did a great job, imo...trying.
I think it is apparent that Jesus had great respect for the OT (the Talmud) as a practicing Jew.
He was raised and was taught in synagogues, spoke at 12yo to the elders in the temple and amazed them..
I mean he knew scripture, alright. He referred to scripture plenty of times.
But, no, he did not say, "Get a Bible". Nor did they carry anything with them...they couldn't ...
the Talmud was sacred, huge and kept at the Temple. So, what was done? They memorized.
You were responding to someone else, but since I addressed this above, I will add my 2 cents.
No, not like a printing press making a mistake, but rather like two or more people telling of their experience and perceptions and feelings about the same event but sounding like different stories. In turn, the telling of one might resound with someone who wasn't there in a different way than it would with someone else who wasn't there because of THEIR life experiences, perceptions, etc.
Again, I will mine an example of this from 9/11. I was with a coworker when AA11 slammed into us, and we traveled down the stairs and out into the streets together, hand in hand. Yet she remembers things and people and sights that I have no memory about, and vice versa. Even though we were in the exact same place and same situation, our perceptions and memories differ.
It's the same way when someone tries to describe their connection with God, (or whatever a person may call that which some of us call God).
I've quoted this before and will again because it's worth quoting. The Quakers hit the mark closest when they say, "I cannot tell you how to experience God. I can only tell you how I experience God."
The writers of the widely-varied books, poetry, letters, prophecies collectively known as "The Bible" each attempted to put their own experience and understanding into words. Some of it may resonate with us, some of it may not, some of it may resonate at different points in our lives, other parts may never touch us. No one can say which words are "right". We can only tell when we have found meaning in something for ourselves, and no one should ever use the words that others have written to harm another person.
It is a collection of parables and metaphysical metaphors about life.
It is to be taken subjectively in my opinion.
The problem is when people try to use it as an objective writing in regard to others use it it for their own selfish agendas and opinions.
In my opinion this is against what the bible is, A book of subjective experiences of the 'prophets', much of it being metaphysical.
One of the definitions of metaphysical being supernatural. Does anyone deny there being a supernatural influence to much of the Bible? This is one of the many contradictions of which there are. The Bible condemns witchcraft and sorcery in many of its chapters and verses but was written with and from supernatural influences.
Any thoughts on this???
Last edited by Objective Detective; 10-20-2017 at 07:12 AM..
I'm not asking you to believe me...I said that very thing in my post to you...believe what you want, not trying to change you, my friend.
My ego wants to say, "How dare you say I totally disregard God's Holiness", you little person on a forum
that knows nothing about anyone here, really, and then to make a statement like that, to someone, shame on you.
But, I am not saying that...I will only say...you should be more diplomatic with your words...you repel
people from Jesus....acting as a representative or product of his...sour grapes, bro.
Btw, I am not a liberal Christian...I am not a Christian as defined in 325 ad.
The definition has not changed since then; a definition approved of by a man that didn't even believe in Jesus to end unrest... a good politician/ruler, tho.
You did not even address God’s holiness and its ramifications. Perhaps then I could view your beliefs differently.
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