Are there actual Bible haters here? Or just those that believe it is not all true? (testimony, prayer)
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I just know that a lot of folks on here get VERY angry anytime The Bible, Jesus or Christianity is mentioned in a positive tone. Some really appear to spend their day looking for opportunities to make fun of believers. I have blocked numerous folks that do so, but they keep responding to me with hate- not realizing that I don't reeieve their messages! I suspect that most of these people are very unhappy with their lives and themselves. It's easier to lash out at others than to look in the mirror.
Because words in ink can be falsified, but the nature of the Spirit Jesus promised was well described by Jesus and the Apostles. It is the ONLY valid check, but you don't really believe in the promise of Jesus.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
You did not even address God’s holiness and its ramifications. Perhaps then I could view your beliefs differently.
God's holiness was described in DETAIL but you refuse to believe it and invoke your human view of vengeance as justice thinking that describes God's holiness. It tickles your human ears to believe that vengeance is part of God's holiness. Why isn't simple reciprocity and equivalence sufficient for your justice? Why do you need an eternal consequence for finite actions? When we reap EXACTLY what we sow, that is justice and it has nothing to do with God's holiness.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
Those who claim authority for scripture ALWAYS claim that they are written by the Spirit and that the Spirit gives them guidance in understanding it... The SAME claim made by people who have wildly different interpretations of scripture.
NONE of these people give any indication of WHY we should believe that the Spirit guides THEM. IF they were guided by the Spirit, their conclusions would reflect the NATURE of the Spirit as taught by Jesus and the Apostles.
Many of those who do so claim that God's holiness constrains Him to deny His love as if God has a split personality. It is their idea of "Holy" that is at fault because of the perception put forth in Tanakh.
Jesus illustrated the difference in the "Parable of the Good Samaritan" where that concept of Holy was shown to be at fault and the idea that set apart to God's purposes means getting down in the trenches and doing what is right to demonstrate his love.
Amen, nate. I can only guess that they do NOT believe the detailed descriptions of God's TRUE NATURE and Christ's unambiguous demonstration of it in favor of the wrathful, vengeful descriptions of the Israeli War God that appeals to their human desire for vengeance (what they call justice).
The problem remains that Scripture, particularly OT Scripture, is quite contradictory. That means a logical and reasoning mind must be brought to it if any "holiness" is to be derived. I see that as viewing all writings through the lens of the life and teaching of Jesus.
Did Jesus support OT genocide? Is there anything in His life or teaching to make one think that He, like the psalmist, would be happy to dash the head of an infant against the rocks? If one believes He would, then they belong to a Christian Isis. If not, then one must bring their own sense of morality to Scripture to discover "holiness."
It amazes me that people who would otherwise stand against racial and ethnic murder are completely absorbed by it if it is in the Bible.
From Derek Flood's Disarming Scripture:
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"Inerrancy and infallibility simply do not work as a way to safeguard against error, and in fact because an authoritarianism reading overrides conscience and thought, abuse becomes the inevitable result. To read the Bible in an authoritarian unquestioning way is to read it immorally."
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The Bible cannot be inerrant nor infallible. If it were then why do so many evangelicals disagree with one another. A quick view of Google will reveal books or treatises on Four Views of Paul, Four Views of Eternal Security, Four Views of Heaven and Hell, The Meaning of Atonement; Four Views, Four Views of the End Times, and on and on. What evangelicals mean when they state the Bible is inerrant and infallible is that THEIR view (read opinion) is inerrant and infallible and this is tremendous hubris in light of all the different evangelical views there are.
And too often that inerrancy and infallibility is an excuse for people attempt to wield power over others by dismissing alternate views and condemning others to hell. Real God Power is about lifting people up as Jesus did, not pushing them down.
Tell me Warden, did Jesus say this or not?
Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Have you not bothered to consider that the Passover story that they were told to rehearse to their children FOREVER, contains a very large amount of Egyptians being slaughtered by the hand of G-d with water, shortly after the firstborn of the Egyptians were also slaughtered by the angel of death?
He's not nearly as squeamish about death as you pretend to be, as to Him it's as simple as breathing in and recalling their spirits back to the One that gave it. The flesh profits NOTHING, but you are making an idol out of it, as you try to make Him over into your image. The clay vessel has NO RIGHTS to brag about being "more righteous" than G-d, yet that is PRECISELY what this pseudo compassion and love doctrine your trying to veil people's eyes with, DOES.
Heap to yourself all the teachers of UN-righteousness you can find in the carnal minds of men who hate a holy G-d and have no respect (fear of Lord) for Him, it will not profit you or them, in the last day. Peace
Amen
God's holiness was described in DETAIL but you refuse to believe it and invoke your human view of vengeance as justice thinking that describes God's holiness. It tickles your human ears to believe that vengeance is part of God's holiness. Why isn't simple reciprocity and equivalence sufficient for your justice? Why do you need an eternal consequence for finite actions? When we reap EXACTLY what we sow, that is justice and it has nothing to do with God's holiness.
Amen, nate. I can only guess that they do NOT believe the detailed descriptions of God's TRUE NATURE and Christ's unambiguous demonstration of it in favor of the wrathful, vengeful descriptions of the Israeli War God that appeals to their human desire for vengeance (what they call justice).
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Originally Posted by Rbbi1
Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Have you not bothered to consider that the Passover story that they were told to rehearse to their children FOREVER, contains a very large amount of Egyptians being slaughtered by the hand of G-d with water, shortly after the firstborn of the Egyptians were also slaughtered by the angel of death?
He's not nearly as squeamish about death as you pretend to be, as to Him it's as simple as breathing in and recalling their spirits back to the One that gave it. The flesh profits NOTHING, but you are making an idol out of it, as you try to make Him over into your image. The clay vessel has NO RIGHTS to brag about being "more righteous" than G-d, yet that is PRECISELY what this pseudo compassion and love doctrine your trying to veil people's eyes with, DOES.
Heap to yourself all the teachers of UN-righteousness you can find in the carnal minds of men who hate a holy G-d and have no respect (fear of Lord) for Him, it will not profit you or them, in the last day. Peace
QED. You have the veil over people's eyes backward. The above is the corruption of Christ's Gospel of agape that reading the OT has caused under the real veil of ignorance (blind minds).
2 Corinthians 3:14-17
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
Amen
God's holiness was described in DETAIL but you refuse to believe it and invoke your human view of vengeance as justice thinking that describes God's holiness. It tickles your human ears to believe that vengeance is part of God's holiness. Why isn't simple reciprocity and equivalence sufficient for your justice? Why do you need an eternal consequence for finite actions? When we reap EXACTLY what we sow, that is justice and it has nothing to do with God's holiness.
Amen, nate. I can only guess that they do NOT believe the detailed descriptions of God's TRUE NATURE and Christ's unambiguous demonstration of it in favor of the wrathful, vengeful descriptions of the Israeli War God that appeals to their human desire for vengeance (what they call justice).
Jesus described God’s judgement in several passages. Why you choose to define God by only a few of His words, I do not know.
QED. You have the veil over people's eyes backward. The above is the corruption of Christ's Gospel of agape that reading the OT has caused under the real veil of ignorance (blind minds).
2 Corinthians 3:14-17
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
When the veil is taken away, they SEE CHRIST IN ALL OF IT. That's WHY the veil is done away when they are IN Christ, which is being baptized INTO His body, which is Spirit. Until then, they have a fleshly, carnal understanding of all of it, which prevents them from seeing Him in it.
Which is why there are so many scriptures in the NT talking about the validity of the OT scriptures even after they received Him and why 4 things out of the law were put on the gentiles that received Him IMMEDIATELY after conversion from pagan religions, BECAUSE they could now see what all of it was leading up to and displaying.
So without being IN Christ, the veil is still there, which means you are no different than a Jew who reads it without seeing who it's pointing to and the lessons within, nor an accurate picture of G-d and the Son, which is evident with every one of your posts about it. Which, pretty much sums up how you view it, thus proving the scripture you quoted is valid. So, since you have the same perception of it as a natural Jew, what spirit is in control? Because HIS Spirit is not divided. Peace
I just know that a lot of folks on here get VERY angry anytime The Bible, Jesus or Christianity is mentioned in a positive tone. Some really appear to spend their day looking for opportunities to make fun of believers. I have blocked numerous folks that do so, but they keep responding to me with hate- not realizing that I don't reeieve their messages! I suspect that most of these people are very unhappy with their lives and themselves. It's easier to lash out at others than to look in the mirror.
Jesus described God’s judgement in several passages. Why you choose to define God by only a few of His words, I do not know.
The problem is that you think that "judgement" equals "eternal condemnation." It doesn't.
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