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Well, yes. What I hate is the calamitous doctrine that makes the Bible the ultimate, not to be challenged authority for the Christian faith.
The problem is that many of the people who hold this seriously defective doctrine can't wrap their mind around the idea that the Bible is a useful TOOL in the toolbox of the Spirit, but NOT an authority in its pown right. They see any challenge to the idea of the ultimate authority of the Bible as a denial of the value of that book altogether. It keeps them from having to face the shortcomings ad well as the valued contained in it.
What is the excellency of the scripture. It is given by inspiration of God (v. 16), and therefore is His word. It is a divine revelation, which we may depend upon as infallibly true. The same Spirit that breathed reason into us breathes revelation among us: For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men spoke as they were moved or carried forth by the Holy Ghost, 2 Pt. 1:21 . The prophets and apostles did not speak from themselves, but what they received of the Lord that they delivered unto us.
2 points. First Jesus never said what has been written in 2 Timothy, that is Paul. Personally I follow the teachings of Jesus, not Paul.
Second, the quote by Paul was said long before the New Testament was written. If anything, it would only apply to the Old Testament, not the New.
Indeed. A favorite quote is "The Bible is not the true word of God. Christ is the true word of God. The Bible, read in the right Spirit, and with the guidance of good teachers, will bring us to Him. We must not use the Bible as a sort of encyclopedia out of which texts can be taken for use as weapons" (C.S. Lewis). Far too many Christians use the Bible inappropriately, as a weapon.
One thing I have always wondered is when the Gospel of John states that Jesus was the word made flesh, why do people want to focus on words written on paper?
Another thing I have always wondered is if the Bible is the perfect word of God, wouldn't that also make it a God? After all only God is perfect, so if the Bible is perfect it also has to be a God. That means the Trinity doesn't exist, it is a 4 part God - Creator, Christ, Holy Spirit, Bible.
Along those lines if it is perfect, wouldn't we also have to be perfect to understand it? Since we are not perfect, how could we know what is perfect as we look at it with imperfect eyes and understanding.
One thing I have always wondered is when the Gospel of John states that Jesus was the word made flesh, why do people want to focus on words written on paper?
Another thing I have always wondered is if the Bible is the perfect word of God, wouldn't that also make it a God? After all only God is perfect, so if the Bible is perfect it also has to be a God. That means the Trinity doesn't exist, it is a 4 part God - Creator, Christ, Holy Spirit, Bible.
Along those lines if it is perfect, wouldn't we also have to be perfect to understand it? Since we are not perfect, how could we know what is perfect as we look at it with imperfect eyes and understanding.
Anyhow, my 2 cents...
Because John records the words of Jesus.
Is a love letter from your sweetheart actually your sweetheart? Of course not, but it’s their words to you. Because of that, it’s precious.
No, and it's been a bit frustrating when I've attempted to have intelligent conversations on the subject with those who want to hold onto the concept of an inerrant, God-breathed tome. The perception automatically swings the other way to "So you just toss scripture out totally and make things up yourself." I have trouble believing anyone could be that ignorant about non-fundamentalist Christian traditions and perspectives, so I tend to conclude that such people just want to argue for argument's sake and set up an "Us vs. Them" situation.
I have no one-size-fits-all opinion of the Bible. It's a collection of many different writings by many different people at different periods in history in a culture different from the one we live in now. Some of it rings true to me, usually because there are certain constants in all humans and their quests for spiritual knowledge everywhere and in every time. There are other writings that do the same thing. This is not me "cherry-picking" or choosing the parts I like that make me comfortable, and when people accuse me of that, I tend to think they are a bit simple-minded if they cannot grasp what I am saying--or that they are pretending not to grasp what I am saying.
The Bible is the work of humans trying to express a connection with the divine, but it is not divine, and it is not magical.
...really? And you're a mighty queen? Quit sniveling.
One thing I have always wondered is when the Gospel of John states that Jesus was the word made flesh, why do people want to focus on words written on paper?
Another thing I have always wondered is if the Bible is the perfect word of God, wouldn't that also make it a God? After all only God is perfect, so if the Bible is perfect it also has to be a God. That means the Trinity doesn't exist, it is a 4 part God - Creator, Christ, Holy Spirit, Bible.
Along those lines if it is perfect, wouldn't we also have to be perfect to understand it? Since we are not perfect, how could we know what is perfect as we look at it with imperfect eyes and understanding.
I just have not come across a Bible hater, as mentioned here today, and I have been called one
by that same poster....now, some are indifferent, sure...
some here believe it was tampered with, some believe it is a metaphor,
some think it is a fantasy of made up stories blaming God for really bad things,
and many more opinions of the Bible....but, 'haters'?
Anyone care to stand up and say they are or are not?
I'm not. It is a label I don't think accounts for many here.
I just have not come across a Bible hater, as mentioned here today, and I have been called one
by that same poster....now, some are indifferent, sure...
some here believe it was tampered with, some believe it is a metaphor,
some think it is a fantasy of made up stories blaming God for really bad things,
and many more opinions of the Bible....but, 'haters'?
Anyone care to stand up and say they are or are not?
I'm not. It is a label I don't think accounts for many here.
Could you define "hater" in your question?
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