1 Corinthians 15:1-8 - The Gospel That Saves (beliefs, Holy Spirit, mystic)
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What you are talking about is earning your salvation by your own efforts, by committing to living in such as way so that you deserve salvation. And that is contrary to what the Bible teaches and is contrary to grace.
You are imposing on salvation what belongs to the spiritual life after salvation and making it a requirement for eternal life. Eternal life is received by grace through faith in Christ Jesus. Period. Not by committing to a way of life.
What is a "work" about a change of purpose? I am NOT talking about the works that change WILL produce and I am in NO way talking about earning salvation. Repeating that lie does not make it true.
What is a "work" about a change of purpose? I am NOT talking about the works that change WILL produce and I am in NO way talking about earning salvation. Repeating that lie does not make it true.
You are adding to faith, commitment to change the way you live as a requirement for salvation. Again, you have stated that ''If you don't see the need to change or live a Better Way, you don't believe in Christ.'' And that simply is not true.
No! The existence of a creator IS the subject. If the universe requires a creator, please explain the existence of things like cancer, flesh eating bacteria, and deformed children, etc. Because if the universe is the result of nature (quantum mechanics) at work, then things like cancer, flesh eating bacteria, and deformed children, etc., are explainable, if no less tragic. If the universe and all that is in it is the creation of God, then God is a psychotic ogre.
I do not believe that God is a psychotic ogre. God is entirely made up. The universe exists naturally. And in a universe that exists naturally, tragic things happen.
No, the topic of this thread is 'The Gospel that Saves.'
You are not only off topic but you are violating forum rules about debating the existence of God on the Christianity forum.
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No, the topic of this thread is 'The Gospel that Saves.'
You are not only off topic but you are violating forum rules about debating the existence of God on the Christianity forum.
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Then I will revise. I do not believe that God is a psychotic ogre. In a universe that exists naturally, tragic things inevitably happen. In a universe created by God, then God is responsible.
Then I will revise. I do not believe that God is a psychotic ogre. In a universe that exists naturally, tragic things inevitably happen. In a universe created by God, then God is responsible.
You're still off topic. Once again, the topic of this thread is 'The Gospel that saves.' Well, it's not my thread. If DRob (the OP) wants to go there with you, that's up to him.
What you are talking about is earning your salvation by your own efforts, by committing to living in such as way so that you deserve salvation. And that is contrary to what the Bible teaches and is contrary to grace.
You are imposing on salvation what belongs to the spiritual life after salvation and making it a requirement for eternal life. Eternal life is received by grace through faith in Christ Jesus. Period. Not by committing to a way of life.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
What is a "work" about a change of purpose? I am NOT talking about the works that change WILL produce and I am in NO way talking about earning salvation. Repeating that lie does not make it true.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
You are adding to faith, commitment to change the way you live as a requirement for salvation. Again, you have stated that ''If you don't see the need to change or live a Better Way, you don't believe in Christ.'' And that simply is not true.
And you believe you are deserving of salvation merely because you believe? Did you not have to recognize that you were first a sinner who needed to be saved, according to your belief system. And does that not constitute a desire to change?
And you believe you are deserving of salvation merely because you believe? Did you not have to recognize that you were first a sinner who needed to be saved, according to your belief system. And does that not constitute a desire to change?
A person will not see a need to come to Christ for salvation if he doesn't realize that he is in need of salvation. But a person need only believe that Christ died for his sins in order to be saved. There is no requirement to 'change your ways' in order to receive the gift of eternal life. You either believe the Bible or you don't.
And you believe you are deserving of salvation merely because you believe? Did you not have to recognize that you were first a sinner who needed to be saved, according to your belief system. And does that not constitute a desire to change?
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Originally Posted by Mike555
A person will not see a need to come to Christ for salvation if he doesn't realize that he is in need of salvation. But a person need only believe that Christ died for his sins in order to be saved. There is no requirement to 'change your ways' in order to receive the gift of eternal life. You either believe the Bible or you don't.
So, you have to believe and commit yourself to the ideology of a blood sacrifice in order to receive the free-gift of salvation?
You're still off topic. Once again, the topic of this thread is 'The Gospel that saves.' Well, it's not my thread. If DRob (the OP) wants to go there with you, that's up to him.
I notice that you resort to legal maneuvers to squelch views that you do not agree with, rather than by discrediting them through the use of reasoned logic. Why is that?
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