1 Corinthians 15:1-8 - The Gospel That Saves (church, Bible, Lord)
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I'm not in a quandary. The only thing necessary to receive eternal life is to place your faith in Christ Jesus. Period. No commitment, no promises, no giving up anything, no turning from sin. After the believer has been saved through faith alone in Christ alone, if he is growing spiritually then he should be sinning less, but he will still sin. But turning from sin is simply not a requirement to receive the free gift of eternal life.
You hold to the concept of so called 'Lordship salvation' which denies that salvation is by grace through faith alone in Christ alone. I hold to what the scriptures actually say with regard to the issue of salvation.
Wouldn't 'lordship salvation' mean you believe salvation is by faith alone, but that faith will produce a change in the person. This is different from what Nate seems to believe.
Advocates of lordship salvation are careful to say that salvation is by grace alone, that believers are saved before their faith ever produces any good works, and that Christians can and do sin. However, true salvation will inevitably lead to a changed life. The saved will be dedicated to their Savior. A true Christian will not feel comfortable living in unconfessed, unforsaken sin.
I'm not in a quandary. The only thing necessary to receive eternal life is to place your faith in Christ Jesus. Period. No commitment, no promises, no giving up anything, no turning from sin. After the believer has been saved through faith alone in Christ alone, if he is growing spiritually then he should be sinning less, but he will still sin. But turning from sin is simply not a requirement to receive the free gift of eternal life.
You hold to the concept of so called 'Lordship salvation' which denies that salvation is by grace through faith alone in Christ alone. I hold to what the scriptures actually say with regard to the issue of salvation.
This way the bearer need not be responsible for his own thoughts, deeds and actions.
Wouldn't 'lordship salvation' mean you believe salvation is by faith alone, but that faith will produce a change in the person. This is different from what Nate seems to believe.
Basically, Lordship salvation is the view that with regard to eternal salvation, not only must you receive Jesus as Savior but that you must make a commitment to obey Jesus and submit to Him, and if you don't then you're not saved.
The non-Lordship salvation position is that in order to receive eternal life you need only trust in Christ Jesus in order to be saved. Whether or not you make a commitment to obey Christ has no bearing on your salvation. It does on your spiritual life after salvation, but not on whether you are eternally saved.
Faith may or may not result in a change in a persons life. Many people who receive Christ as Savior never grow spiritually and remain spiritual infants. Some believer's lives cannot be distinguished from that of an unbeliever. Some believers remain in a constant state of carnality. They are still saved by grace through faith, but they have not made any sort of commitment to clean up their lives.
This way the bearer need not be responsible for his own thoughts, deeds and actions.
Only an idiot would assume that. Sin in the believer's life can result in divine discipline in time. But giving up sin is not a requirement for salvation.
This way the bearer need not be responsible for his own thoughts, deeds and actions.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Only an idiot would assume that. Sin in the believer's life can result in divine discipline in time. But giving up sin is not a requirement for salvation.
Basically, Lordship salvation is the view that with regard to eternal salvation, not only must you receive Jesus as Savior but that you must make a commitment to obey Jesus and submit to Him, and if you don't then you're not saved.
The non-Lordship salvation position is that in order to receive eternal life you need only trust in Christ Jesus in order to be saved. Whether or not you make a commitment to obey Christ has no bearing on your salvation. It does on your spiritual life after salvation, but not on whether you are eternally saved.
Faith may or may not result in a change in a persons life. Many people who receive Christ as Savior never grow spiritually and remain spiritual infants. Some believer's lives cannot be distinguished from that of an unbeliever. Some believers remain in a constant state of carnality. They are still saved by grace through faith, but they have not made any sort of commitment to clean up their lives.
The easy believe position of paragraph 2 takes one description of one element of salvation and says it is the only one in spite of descriptions that give other elements simply because other elements require participation of the person involved, but they disregard that the belief required is exactly the same kind of participation. This ridiculous situation stems from an extreme position concerning the "sovereignty" of God that requires Him to be a micromanager. you see it in controllers, those who can't stand to see anyone else free.
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