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It is very clear why He says that He would. My question is do you think that He is lying?
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!
It is very clear why He says that He would. My question is do you think that He is lying?
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!
Well since when does depart from me mean go into eternal damnation ?.
If you have children would you damn them for not behaving or would you chastise them so they learn from being corrected ?.
Also just supposing your interpretation was true , what makes you sure Jesus will not say to you depart from me you who practised lawlessness ?.
What is the will of my Father in heaven mean to you ? Believing you have all the correct doctrines ?
Well since when does depart from me mean go into eternal damnation ?.
If you have children would you damn them for not behaving or would you chastise them so they learn from being corrected ?.
Also just supposing your interpretation was true , what makes you sure Jesus will not say to you depart from you who practised lawlessness ?.
Did I say anything about eternal torment, this scripture say that they who in this scripture will not enter into the kingdom. There is no debate, it says if one does not do the will of the Father, they will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. It does not say they can't get in temporary, it say they will not enter.
Take that how you want, but I take it for what it says.
I take it you see something else.
If I do as the scripture says, the will of the Father, then I will not hear depart from me, but if I do not do the will of the Father, then I will hear depart from me, just as you will hear the same if you don't do the will of the Father.
So, what part of will not enter are you seeing and understanding?
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!
I will leave you with that, I have better things to do then debate with someone following a lie.
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to determine (as an active option from subjective impulse; whereas G1014
properly denotes rather a passive acquiescence in objective considerations),
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inclined to (sometimes adverbially, gladly); impersonally for the future tense,
to be about to; by Hebraism, to delight in:--desire, be disposed (forward),
intend, list, love, mean, please, have rather, (be) will (have, -ling, - ling(-ly)).
Fair enough, leave me with that, or reply, whatever you prefer is fine with me.
"To wish" is your selection and it fits in context with your premise, so it is reasonable that you choose it. Your premise is not in scripture in post #45 you wrote "but all men will not come to Him".
You say scripture does not have to say something word for word, I think we approach what your saying differently so I have no problems conceding that we can come to conclusions that are not directly written in scripture. However I will NOT concede that we can make those conclusions and contradict.
Your conclusion presents a problem and I believe it to be a contradiction.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
In the end if it is up to God, then what is up to God that he desires he will do, then this is a contradiction "but all men will not come to Him"
So if he is "To wish" that all men be saved and come to the realization of truth and that is up to God to decide the finality of it, then your premise of "but all men will not come to Him" is a contradiction.
Did I say anything about eternal torment, this scripture say that they who in this scripture will not enter into the kingdom. There is no debate, it says if one does not do the will of the Father, they will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. It does not say they can't get in temporary, it say they will not enter.
Take that how you want, but I take it for what it says.
I take it you see something else.
Well what is the will of my Father in Heaven ? believing or thinking you have all the correct doctrines ?
Fair enough, leave me with that, or reply, whatever you prefer is fine with me.
"To wish" is your selection and it fits in context with your premise, so it is reasonable that you choose it. Your premise is not in scripture in post #45 you wrote "but all men will not come to Him".
You say scripture does not have to say something word for word, I think we approach what your saying differently so I have no problems conceding that we can come to conclusions that are not directly written in scripture. However I will NOT concede that we can make those conclusions and contradict.
Your conclusion presents a problem and I believe it to be a contradiction.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
In the end if it is up to God, then what is up to God that he desires he will do, then this is a contradiction "but all men will not come to Him"
So if he is "To wish" that all men be saved and come to the realization of truth and that is up to God to decide the finality of it, then your premise of "but all men will not come to Him" is a contradiction.
I am not picking the word wish, I only looked at the scripture and what it meant. You provided yet another list of words, but didn't not look to see how it was being used in the scripture. I can list words, but what does that really mean?
I am not picking the word wish, I only looked at the scripture and what it meant. You provided yet another list of words, but didn't not look to see how it was being used in the scripture. I can list words, but what does that really mean?
You have to pick the word wish or your premise "but all men will not come to Him" fails completely.
Well what is the will of my Father in Heaven ? believing or thinking you have all the correct doctrines ?
Doing what Jesus says to do! If we do that then we want have to fear Jesus sending us out of His presence.
Jesus says that He is the only way.
I read english and Hebrew and Greek text and rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me.
My thing is we or noone can get past the scripture and what Jesus says for us to do.
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!
You have to pick the word wish or your premise "but all men will not come to Him" fails completely.
I've shown you why it does fail.
I said all men will not come to Jesus and scriptures supports that all men will not come to God.
If that was the case why is Jesus even saying, to some, you refuse to come to me.
And in the end Jesus is sending some out of His presence, why?
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!
If it fails why is Jesus sending as you see in this scripture out of His presence, and saying not to enter the Kingdom?
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Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Yes, this is correct, so you take this scripture for what it says, but can't take Matthew 7:21-23 for what it says? How is that? Is it because you don't like what it says?
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