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Your pompous posturing and spouting of pious platitudes is not helping a sister in spiritual trouble.
"Pompous Posturing and spouting of Pious Platitudes..."
Im sorry, but I have to issue a 5 point reduction for overuse of the letter "P" causing spittle to collect on computer screens all across the world....LOL
The way we who claim the name of "christian" should see things is like this:
The Right way;
We should use the Bible to help us understand and interpret our lives so that they are always sinless and without the spot of blame.
The Wrong way; is to use our own personal history and feelings to interpret the bible and call the result, "God's view"
That is the way of Bibleans . . . NOT Christians who have Jesus and the Holy Spirit within. Ignoring our inner Jesus and mindlessly spouting bible passages is "as a hollow sounding brass." You ignore rather than follow that which is "written in our hearts."
Hey folks!
This is sad. Brokenheart is sitting back as everyone argues amongst themselves. Has everyone forgotten the purpose of this thread?
Brokenheart,
There are many various forms that perpetual lusts takes. Beastiality would appear to be amongst the most difficult to accept.
Nevertheless, lust is the problem. And when given full rein, it will lead to all types of disorder. Some more difficult to live with than others.
It's my opinion, the God views it all as lust.
You have been repeately betrayed, and I would also find it very difficult to trust.
My advice would be to physically and or emotional separate for a season, and watch his actions, not his speach.
In the meantime, the relationship to nuture is with the Lord.
That is the way of Bibleans . . . NOT Christians who have Jesus and the Holy Spirit within. ."
Oh there are many voices that people can claim to "hear within"...
But here is a cold fact of life kids...
If you believe that the Lord in your heart is telling you something that also clearly goes against what the Bible teaches?
Then that inner voice is garbage.
No matter what you believe your Lord is telling you within your heart to do, it will never go against what is already written in the Bible.
Thus even if your "message" that you claim to have received from God is only slightly in disagreement with the Bible, it's a complete lie....
a complete lie....
The Holy Spirit can not ever whisper something to you in secret that goes against what he had proclaimed loudly to the whole world in the text!
Oh there are many voices that people can claim to "hear within"...
But here is a cold fact of life kids...
If you believe that the Lord in your heart is telling you something that also clearly goes against what the Bible teaches?
Then that inner voice is garbage.
No matter what you believe your Lord is telling you within your heart to do, it will never go against what is already written in the Bible.
Thus even if your "message" that you claim to have received from God is only slightly in disagreement with the Bible, it's a complete lie....
a complete lie....
The Holy Spirit can not ever whisper something to you in secret that goes against what he had proclaimed loudly to the whole world in the text!
I think the heart of the matter is that under the Old Covenant, this man the OP describes would have been killed for his transgressions.
All I am saying is that there is grounds for divorce here but it's not mandatory. The OP needs to seek God's face on the matter.
You will admit, I hope, that she can get a divorce and STILL forgive him. The two are not mutually exclusive.
If she should stay or go will be a question God will answer for her is she passionately seeks His counsel.
If she should stay or go will be a question God will answer for her is she passionately seeks His counsel.
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My point is that regardless of what some people say she should do, or what she thinks God is telling her to do, If any of the results of such seeking counsel ends up with an idea that goes against what Jesus has taught on the topic of a Christian seeking a divorce?,
then that counsel is garbage...and a delusion.
Nevertheless, lust is the problem. And when given full rein, it will lead to all types of disorder. Some more difficult to live with than others.
It's my opinion, the God views it all as lust.
And what was your God's reaction to THIS form of lust @ Sodom and Gommorah? Forgiveness?
Oh there are many voices that people can claim to "hear within"...
But here is a cold fact of life kids...
If you believe that the Lord in your heart is telling you something that also clearly goes against what the Bible teaches?
Then that inner voice is garbage.
This literal blind obedience to ancient primitive writing is garbage. As long as the inner guidance is POSITIVE and not connected in ANY way to negative human emotions . . . it is golden. Those who ignore God's direct POSITIVE urgings . . . and choose to follow blind primitive nonsense are the ones denying the Holy Spirit within. If God wanted mindless robots obeying commands mindlessly . . . He wouldn't have gone to all the trouble of giving us free will and sendiing the Holy Spirit to help guide us to understand what God has "written in our hearts."
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So Im sorry June (or whomever), if you disagree your disagreement is not with me, it's with another.
Now this is a first: someone saying that June's lack of belief/faith is a moot point? --June accepts your apology, Alan, but once again, June's just gotta say: Yup, her disagreement is with you.
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Originally Posted by alanMolstad
My point is that regardless of what some people say she should do, or what she thinks God is telling her to do, If any of the results of such seeking counsel ends up with an idea that goes against what Jesus has taught on the topic of a Christian seeking a divorce?,
then that counsel is garbage...and a delusion.
Here's part of the difficulty as June sees it: You could have six different individuals all of whom have the exact same problem/situation/question as the member who started this thread. All six could seek counsel, all six could confer with God, and all six could quite possibly come up with different answers. What June is essentially asking in all this is:
Where in what you are saying Alan does it address the actual situation that the individual is living with? While June can understand where you are coming from, the difficulty that she has is that you are holding up the bible as the 'play book' upon which she should base her decision. June understands, accepts the fact that Christians would naturally do that, as that is what is implied in their faith. However:
We are talking about a relationship here. Two relationships, actually: That which the OP has with her husband, and that which she has with God. Relationships of any kind are not always as clear cut and black and white as you are making them out to sound. Clearly, the marital relationship as outlined in the OP is anything but clear cut! Issues such as fidelity/infidelity, trust/distrust, forgiveness and/or lack thereof don't exactly have clearly defined parameters. That is not to say that one can't base a decision on the principles and precepts of their faith, but give June a break. Even June finds it impossible to accept that there would be anything in Christianity that would insist that anyone remain with a spouse who has been unfaithful, who has practiced beastiality, and whom one more than has reason to suspect has a major porn 'problem.' The husband's 'relationships' in this instance are not only indicative of what June perceives as "un-Christian" but they are also skewed relationships that are very deeply rooted in something else.
Yes, June can see how Christians should forgive. We all should forgive. But how does one forgive oneself for remaining in a marriage that sentences them and their children to ongoing exposure to someone who is clearly in need of a little bit of (dare June say it?) psychological help? June has encountered more than her fair share of individuals who have done 'really bad' things. (Infidelity, stealing, prison sentences for attempted murder, etc., so forth.) June would be the first one to say "Yes. These individuals deserve a second chance. They deserve compassion, and they deserve forgiveness." --But for the life of her, June cannot fathom any pastor, minister, priest or rabbi looking the woman who started this thread in the eyes and telling her: "Just forgive him, again, and stay with him, and continue to raise your children along side him."
If anything would come close to striking June as being "sinful" that would.
And what was your God's reaction to THIS form of lust @ Sodom and Gommorah? Forgiveness?
I won't take the bait
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--June accepts your apology, Alan, but once again, June's just gotta say: Yup, her disagreement is with you.
