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Mike555 The second resurrection is the resurrection of unbelievers only. Revelation 20:11-15. They are resurrected from the compartment of Torments in Hades. This takes place at the end of the Millennium. These unbelievers are judged by Jesus Christ Himself and thrown into the eternal lake of fire forever.
When Jesus went to hell: (Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption), Jesus visited the souls there: Isa 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
Yes, visited and released them, for God :Psa 107:16 For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the bars of iron in sunder.
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
That is the first resurrection, not preceding Christ, but after Christ for He is the first.
When Jesus went to hell: (Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption), Jesus visited the souls there: Isa 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
Yes, visited and released them, for God :Psa 107:16 For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the bars of iron in sunder.
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
That is the first resurrection, not preceding Christ, but after Christ for He is the first.
Blessings, AJ
If you're referring to the transference of believers from the compartment of Paradise, which before the Cross was in Hades-called Sheol in the Old Testament-to Heaven, that was not a resurrection. Resurrection always refers to the body.
Jesus went to Paradise in Hades after He died. And He took the believers that were in Paradise to Heaven. At some point after His death He also went into Tartarus to proclaim to the fallen angels who were imprisoned there-these were the group of fallen angels that were involved in the Gen. 6 incident that necessitated the flood- to proclaim to them that their leader, Satan had been strategically defeated at the Cross (1 Peter 3:19-20; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6).
The first resurrection refers to the various stages of the resurrection of believers. First, Jesus Christ had to be resurrected because He is the first fruits. The rapture of the church is the first group of believers to be resurrected (1 Thess.4:13-17), followed by the resurrection of Old Testament saints and Tribulational martyrs at the end of the Tribulation. This is mentioned in Revelation 20:4.
Psalms 107, has nothing to do with those who have died. Refer to these links.
That's my point that Jesus wasn't German. Neither was He English and He never used the word "Hell." He used the Greek word Gehenna. There are no demons or devils or Satan in Gehenna and presently no one is in Gehenna. When Jesus comes back they are going to change that area which today is a park into a trash dump where they will burn the offal of the city and burn up dead bodies of criminals who receive the death sentence and are killed then have their dead bodies dumped into that trash dump.
Satan and the fallen angels and unbelieving humanity will in the future be cast into the eternal lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15) to which the word 'Gehenna' refers. Currently, unbelievers who have died are in Hades, which is often in the English language simply referred to as 'hell.'
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Actually Jesus never used Gehenna as an illustration for the final and eternal destination of those who die without believing in Christ for salvation. You can't find that anywhere in the Bible, so why say it?
The Bible never says the words "eternal lake of fire" so why add to the words of that prophecy which John warns people to not do?
Revelation 20:15 'Lake of fire'.
Matthew 25:41 'eternal fire'.
Both are describing the same place. The eternal lake of fire.
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If that is your take on those verses then you have to conclude that when Israel was held captive in Egypt they too were in a lake of fire for eternity. How they got out is beyond me!
In no way must such a thing be concluded.
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Well if you would take the time to learn why aionion never refers to 'eternal' maybe you would quit spreading that old and worn out false argument that it does refer to eternal.
As I said, this is a very tired and old argument which has been gone over many times. Any honest research shows that the word aionion can and does in context refer to those things that are of an eternal nature.
As I said, this is a very tired and old argument which has been gone over many times. Any honest research shows that the word aionion can and does in context refer to those things that are of an eternal nature.
Unfortunately that only leaves one thing... GOD.
God is the only thing that is of eternal nature, without beginning or end anything else cannot.
Therefore the context of temporal things means it is not eternal.. When said about God it means eternal..
Again you need to quit thinking of this as a tired argument and start thinking of it seriously.
What do you know of that has no beginning and end besides God?
Mike, Gehenna can't be the eternal lake of fire because for one, Gehenna is not even being used at this time so how can it be eternal?
Secondly, Gehenna is used only during the 1000 year reign of Christ. Then, at the end of the 1000 years the earth is destroyed along with Gehenna and then the lake of fire comes about.
Thirdly, Matthew 25:46 does not say "eternal fire."
(Concordant Literal Version) And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."
(1912 Weymouth New Testament) "And these shall go away into the Punishment of the Ages, but the righteous into the Life of the Ages."
(1898 Young's Literal Translation) And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
και . . .απελευσονται . . . . . . . ουτοι . .εις
and . . shall be coming away . . .these . into
κολασιν . αιωνιον οι δε δικαιοι εις ζωην αιωνιον
chastening eonian . but the just into life eonian
Fourthly, the lake of fire is for the eons of the eons whereas Gehenna is just eonian or pertaining to that eon.
one should not forget that the writings of the Church fathers might be translated as poor as the bible in many instances and that interpolations have been made in the writings of the churchfather by scribes of later date.
Universalism was neither condemned nor officially declared heresy prior to the 6th century, Basil the Great (4th century) and Augustine (5th century) - both opposed universalism, confirm that the majority (or at least very many) of the Christians in their days believed in universalism.
All the early creeds omit a belief in endless future punishment.
Unfortunately that only leaves one thing... GOD.
God is the only thing that is of eternal nature, without beginning or end anything else cannot.
Therefore the context of temporal things means it is not eternal.. When said about God it means eternal..
Again you need to quit thinking of this as a tired argument and start thinking of it seriously.
What do you know of that has no beginning and end besides God?
It is a tired old argument.
The eternal (emphasis looking toward the eternal future from the time of its preparation ) lake of fire was prepared by GOD for the devil and his angels, and for unbelieving humanity. Matthew 25:41 'Depart from Me accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.''
one should not forget that the writings of the Church fathers might be translated as poor as the bible in many instances and that interpolations have been made in the writings of the churchfather by scribes of later date.
Universalism was neither condemned nor officially declared heresy prior to the 6th century, Basil the Great (4th century) and Augustine (5th century) - both opposed universalism, confirm that the majority (or at least very many) of the Christians in their days believed in universalism.
All the early creeds omit a belief in endless future punishment.
The Apostles and the early church leaders who were comtemporaries of the Apostles did not teach universal salvation. Jesus Christ did not teach universal salvation. Matthew 25:41,46; John 3:18,36; etc...The original post tells when universalism began to be taught.
the Apostle Paul clearly taught "universalism" (1Tim. 4:10; Col. 1:20, Rom. 5:18, 1Cor. 15:22), it seems that already in his days this teaching was not welcome but was opposed:
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. (1Tim 4:10)
the Apostle Paul clearly taught "universalism" (1Tim. 4:10; Col. 1:20, Rom. 5:18, 1Cor. 15:22), it seems that already in his days this teaching was not welcome but was opposed:
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. (1Tim 4:10)
little seems to have changed over the centuries!
I Already did a thread on 1 Tim. 4:10. It has nothing to do with universal salvation. Christ died for all, so that those who believe in Him will be saved. Salvation is conditional on faith in Christ. Paul did not teach universalism.
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