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Hey Little Elmer, I don't see the Lake of Fire as a Purification Process . . . Kat or christygirl gave me a study on the Lake of Fire from their perspective, and I read it with an open mind and heart . . . .doesn't add up.
The Lake of Fire that I read in the New Testament has a consistent theme running through it . . . and it's not one that is pretty . . .
If it were the theme would be: Those who refject Christ, will be purified, and the evilmongers and those who mock God will be reiging with Him in Heaven after their dip in the lake . . . . I don't see that at all . . .
Did you know that the destruction of the cities Sodom and Gomorrah is used as an example for sinners who will suffer the punishment of eternal fire?
Sodom and Gommarah is gone . . burnt . . . death is what the lake of fire produces . . . not purification . . . thought I'd love to have seen that, the fence posts don't line up.
Jude 7 “Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
Now when you really think about this, you’ll see that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, which were destroyed with fire are NOT still burning today, those people are obviously dead and has been burned to ashes by eternal fire. See that is the prime example of what’s going to happen to sinners who DON’T repent of their sins.
Beautiful post Lifesigns!! Very well said.
Like a said in a previous post:
I believe that the torture ends when you are punished eternally. Not that the wicked endure eternal punishment, but that they suffer "eternal punishment" (Mt. 25:46), "eternal judgement" (Heb. 6:2), and "eternal destruction" (2 Thess 1:9) the same way the elect experience "eternal redemption" (Heb. 9:12). The elect do not undergo an eternal process of redemption. Their redemption is "eternal" in the sense that, once redeemed, it is forever. The wicked too, do not undergo an eternal process of punishment or destruction. But once they are punished and destroyed, it is forever. Hell is eternal in consequence, not duration. The wicked are "destroyed forever" (psalm 92:7), but not forever being destroyed.
I think the bible is clear that not all will be saved and its not me that says this.Play on logic doesn't work in christianity as the bible is clear.Using their own logic to suit their purposes is what got the jewsih priest in problems as Jesus pointed out.Don't ask man ;read the bible.
Of course not all will be saved. The bible is very clear about that. But the problem is defining the time when all mankind are not saved. The Bible is very clear that not all mankind are saved during the 1000 year eon/age nor during the new earth eon/age. So when are all mankind to be saved as the Bible clearly says all mankind will be saved? It is at the consummation of the eons/ages.
Katallasso - return to favour with, be reconciled to one
katallasso kata--allasso down-change = conciliate = a one-sided peace.
apokatallasso apo----kata---allasso from---down--change = reconcile = two parties come together in peace
2Co 5:19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating [katallasso] the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation [katallasso]."
2Co 5:20 For Christ, then, are we ambassadors, as of God entreating through us. We are beseeching for Christ's sake, "Be conciliated [katallasso] to God!"
In the above verses God is one-sidedly at peace with all mankind.
The entreaty is for mankind to be at peace with God.
Only when two sides are at peace is there apokatallasso or reconciliation as in Colossians 1:20 and 21.
I believe that the torture ends when you are punished eternally. Not that the wicked endure eternal punishment, but that they suffer "eternal punishment" (Mt. 25:46), "eternal judgement" (Heb. 6:2), and "eternal destruction" (2 Thess 1:9) the same way the elect experience "eternal redemption" (Heb. 9:12). The elect do not undergo an eternal process of redemption. Their redemption is "eternal" in the sense that, once redeemed, it is forever. The wicked too, do not undergo an eternal process of punishment or destruction. But once they are punished and destroyed, it is forever. Hell is eternal in consequence, not duration. The wicked are "destroyed forever" (psalm 92:7), but not forever being destroyed.
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The problem with the above post is that there is no such critter in the Bible called "eternal judgment" or "eternal destruction" or "eternal redemption" or "eternal punishment," at least not in any trustworthy translation.
It is impossible for the adjective "aionios" to mean eternal especially when its noun form is defined as having both a beginning and an end.
Since aionios just has the duty of informing us of that which is pertaining to the aion or aionas (plural form of aion), and since no aion is eternal, it is impossible for its adjective to have the idea of eternalness.
So the destruction is eonian or pertaining to the eon(s).
The eonian judgment is pertaining to the eon(s).
The redemption is pertaining to the eon(s).
The redemption is pertaining to the eons in that during the eons and at their conclusion all mankind are redeemed. Beyond the eons there is no further need of redemption for there is nothing more to redeem humanity from anything.
The problem with the above post is that there is no such critter in the Bible called "eternal judgment" or "eternal destruction" or "eternal redemption" or "eternal punishment," at least not in any trustworthy translation.
It is impossible for the adjective "aionios" to mean eternal especially when its noun form is defined as having both a beginning and an end.
Since aionios just has the duty of informing us of that which is pertaining to the aion or aionas (plural form of aion), and since no aion is eternal, it is impossible for its adjective to have the idea of eternalness.
So the destruction is eonian or pertaining to the eon(s).
The eonian judgment is pertaining to the eon(s).
The redemption is pertaining to the eon(s).
The redemption is pertaining to the eons in that during the eons and at their conclusion all mankind are redeemed. Beyond the eons there is no further need of redemption for there is nothing more to redeem humanity from anything.
Oh!!! The Bible that you read must be the only trustworthy translation huh??? Yours and everyone elses on CD. Thats it!! You've convinced me. Eusebius has got it right. Everyone else...................... wrong!!! J/K
The thing is this, I find it hard to believe that God Almighty is having trouble keeping His words intact. In your translation, what does Psalm 92:7 say??? Just curious. Why do you think other translations are not trustworthy??
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If You Don't Believe God is Going to Save All Mankind then you'll go to hell for ever.
This is simply childish.
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