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Old 05-19-2010, 12:21 AM
 
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Once a person has believed in Jesus Christ for salvation, that is once he has understood the issue involved in salvation, and has placed his total confidence and trust in Christ for that salvation, He is eternally secure. There is nothing that can cause a believer to lose his salvation. He didn't do anything to earn that salvation-faith is not a work, and man gets no credit for placing his faith in Christ-and he can do nothing to maintain his salvation.

Salvation is as simple as this. Acts 16:31 Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved...

I'm basically going to provide a number of links which provide all the pertinent information on the subject of the believers eternal security. I am posting this information for the benefit of those who seek the truth. I am not going to spend my time debating and arguing with those who are determined to remain in self-righteous legalism. Those are the people who refuse to understand the issue of God's grace, and persist, regardless of the facts, in thinking that they can somehow impress God with what they do and thereby deserve to retain their salvation.

There are also those who mistakenly think that eternal security is a license to sin. It is not. It is in fact a license to grow up spiritually.

For those who genuinely want to understand the issue regarding the believers eternal security, the following material provides the facts.

The confusion concerning eternal security results in large part over the failure to understand the difference between positional sanctification and experiential sanctification...

We Believe In: Sanctification - Part 1: Introduction

Biblical Principles for Christian Maturity - CHAPTER 20

www.prairieviewchristian.org/downloads/written/prep/basic/sanct.pdf (broken link)


To understand eternal security, it helps to understand what reconciliation is. Reconciliation is basically the removal of sin as a barrier between man and God. Since all sin has been paid for by Christ on the Cross, there is no sin that a person can commt that can cause him to lose his salvation. Law of double jeopardy. A person cannot be tried twice for the same crime. God does not judge a believer for a sin that was already paid for by Christ. A believer can and does get disciplined for sin, but his salvation is never in danger. The sin of the believer is handled as a family matter as per Proverbs 3:11-12; Hebrews 12:5-13; Revelation 3:19-21.

Reconciliation

What Does the Bible Say About Reconciliation | Biblical Reconciliation (http://www.thebiblepost.com/biblical-reconciliation - broken link)


The following 5 links deal specifically with the issue of eternal security and will clarify the matter for those who will study the material with a truth seeking attitude.

Eternal Security

DOCTRINE OF ETERNAL SECURITY

Eternal Security (http://jrcyouth.com/love24.htm - broken link)

Once Saved, Always Saved

Eternal Security - Publications - Robert McLaughlin Bible Ministries / Grace Bible Church - bible doctrine truth in Christ


The next two links deal with the forty things received at the moment of salvation...

The Forty Things Received at Salvation

The Grace Gifts given at Salvation - Publications - Robert McLaughlin Bible Ministries / Grace Bible Church - bible doctrine truth in Christ


And these two which deal with the issue of naming your sins to God as a believer...

Doctrine of Rebound (http://jrcyouth.com/love1.htm - broken link)

DOCTRINE OF REBOUND


A final word. There are always going to be those who reject grace. The principle of legalism always attacks the principle of grace. The only way to guard against these attacks is to be firmly grounded in sound Bible doctrine. Some people simply choose to be legalistic. It makes them feel important. They insist on believing that they can somehow manage to impress God with their righteousness and therefore merit attaining and maintaining their own personal salvation. They cannot. God is impressed by His righteousness. Not with theirs. God imputes His righteousness to the believer at the moment of faith in Christ and them declares him to be justified.

Here are two links regarding justification.

Justification

Justification
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:35 AM
 
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Thanks for posting. When I get a chance, I'll definitely look into those links.
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Old 05-19-2010, 07:05 AM
 
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Thanks for posting. When I get a chance, I'll definitely look into those links.
You're welcome.
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Old 05-19-2010, 07:30 AM
 
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and man gets no credit for placing his faith in Christ
That means it was not up to man to choose, otherwise, the credit is based on the one who chose.
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Old 05-19-2010, 07:34 AM
 
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Once a person has believed in Jesus Christ for salvation, that is once he has understood the issue involved in salvation, and has placed his total confidence and trust in Christ for that salvation, He is eternally secure. There is nothing that can cause a believer to lose his salvation.
Don't fall for this destructible heresy. It's the same lie that the serpent told Eve in the very beginning. He basically told her that God didn't really mean that you have to be obedient to His command. It was a lie that destroyed the entire human race.

God's people are peculiar to Him, and they walk in holiness. People walking in known sin don't belong to our God; they have made up their own Jesus to conform to their sin.

1 John 5
[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
[19] And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
[20] And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

There are those who like to charge God's holy people with being legalistic or Pharisees because we obey His love commandments. However, Jesus told us it would be that way.

Matt. 5
[6] Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
[7] Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
[8] Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
[9] Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
[10] Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[11] Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
[12] Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Standing on the Word and in His love,
A Soldier of the Cross
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:39 AM
 
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Once a person has believed in Jesus Christ for salvation, that is once he has understood the issue involved in salvation, and has placed his total confidence and trust in Christ for that salvation, He is eternally secure. There is nothing that can cause a believer to lose his salvation. He didn't do anything to earn that salvation-faith is not a work, and man gets no credit for placing his faith in Christ-and he can do nothing to maintain his salvation.

Salvation is as simple as this. Acts 16:31 Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved...

I'm basically going to provide a number of links which provide all the pertinent information on the subject of the believers eternal security. I am posting this information for the benefit of those who seek the truth. I am not going to spend my time debating and arguing with those who are determined to remain in self-righteous legalism. Those are the people who refuse to understand the issue of God's grace, and persist, regardless of the facts, in thinking that they can somehow impress God with what they do and thereby deserve to retain their salvation.

There are also those who mistakenly think that eternal security is a license to sin. It is not. It is in fact a license to grow up spiritually.

For those who genuinely want to understand the issue regarding the believers eternal security, the following material provides the facts.

The confusion concerning eternal security results in large part over the failure to understand the difference between positional sanctification and experiential sanctification...

We Believe In: Sanctification - Part 1: Introduction

Biblical Principles for Christian Maturity - CHAPTER 20

www.prairieviewchristian.org/downloads/written/prep/basic/sanct.pdf (broken link)


To understand eternal security, it helps to understand what reconciliation is. Reconciliation is basically the removal of sin as a barrier between man and God. Since all sin has been paid for by Christ on the Cross, there is no sin that a person can commt that can cause him to lose his salvation. Law of double jeopardy. A person cannot be tried twice for the same crime. God does not judge a believer for a sin that was already paid for by Christ. A believer can and does get disciplined for sin, but his salvation is never in danger. The sin of the believer is handled as a family matter as per Proverbs 3:11-12; Hebrews 12:5-13; Revelation 3:19-21.

Reconciliation

What Does the Bible Say About Reconciliation | Biblical Reconciliation (http://www.thebiblepost.com/biblical-reconciliation - broken link)


The following 5 links deal specifically with the issue of eternal security and will clarify the matter for those who will study the material with a truth seeking attitude.

Eternal Security

DOCTRINE OF ETERNAL SECURITY

Eternal Security (http://jrcyouth.com/love24.htm - broken link)

Once Saved, Always Saved

Eternal Security - Publications - Robert McLaughlin Bible Ministries / Grace Bible Church - bible doctrine truth in Christ


The next two links deal with the forty things received at the moment of salvation...

The Forty Things Received at Salvation

The Grace Gifts given at Salvation - Publications - Robert McLaughlin Bible Ministries / Grace Bible Church - bible doctrine truth in Christ


And these two which deal with the issue of naming your sins to God as a believer...

Doctrine of Rebound (http://jrcyouth.com/love1.htm - broken link)

DOCTRINE OF REBOUND


A final word. There are always going to be those who reject grace. The principle of legalism always attacks the principle of grace. The only way to guard against these attacks is to be firmly grounded in sound Bible doctrine. Some people simply choose to be legalistic. It makes them feel important. They insist on believing that they can somehow manage to impress God with their righteousness and therefore merit attaining and maintaining their own personal salvation. They cannot. God is impressed by His righteousness. Not with theirs. God imputes His righteousness to the believer at the moment of faith in Christ and them declares him to be justified.

Here are two links regarding justification.

Justification

Justification
AMEN! If our salvation is not secure, how could Jesus say about those whom He gives eternal life, "and they shall NEVER perish" John 10:28.

1 John 5:13 "I write this to you who believe in the Son of God, so that you may KNOW you have eternal life".

John says we can KNOW we are saved for eternity based on God's promise.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:05 AM
 
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The faithfulness of God is unfathomable, and if we overload those who are trying to trust Him with warnings - instead of exalting the Lord - then we take our focus off of Him.

I would that all who have championed man's role in salvation take some time to worship God - exalt Him, magnify Him. I fear that not enough of our lives are spent in praise.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:29 AM
 
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That means it was not up to man to choose, otherwise, the credit is based on the one who chose.
Why do you persist in such foolish reasoning?

What do the Scriptures say?

Eph 2:8,9 For by grace you have been saved THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9) not as a result of works, that no one should boast.

Man must express faith in Christ in order to be saved, and yet he has no opportunity to boast in so doing. The merit is not in the faith or in the one who has the faith. The merit is in the object of faith which is Jesus Christ. Faith is the conduit by which the work of Christ on the Cross is applied to the one who believes.

Just as in the first passover in Egypt when the blood had to be applied to the doorposts so that the angel of death would pass over, so too must faith in Jesus Christ, the true passover, be applied with reference to the Cross so that the saving work of Christ on the Cross may in turn be applied to you.

The Scriptures say over and over, again and again. Believe, believe, have faith. The Scriptures make it clear that salvation is a gift that is offered and can be refused. The penalty for rejecting the offer is given. The invitation to come to Christ is extended. The word of God is adament in its proclamation of the issue.

Acts 16:31 Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.

John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

The issue cannot be more clear.

1 Tim 1:16 And yet for this reason I found mercy, in order that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience, as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:33 AM
 
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Why do you persist in such foolish reasoning?
It is not foolish, you simply prefer name calling to actually refuting what I have said.


If a man chooses to be saved, then the man chose and can take credit for his choice.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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AMEN! If our salvation is not secure, how could Jesus say about those whom He gives eternal life, "and they shall NEVER perish" John 10:28.

1 John 5:13 "I write this to you who believe in the Son of God, so that you may KNOW you have eternal life".

John says we can KNOW we are saved for eternity based on God's promise.
So true. And yet, sadly, so few understand or believe it. Salvation is a matter of grace. Grace is all that God is free to do for man based on the Cross. And faith in Christ is the means by which the work of Christ on the Cross is applied to those who believe in Him.
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