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Nice try ... Again, the graphe is not the rhema ...
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Many have the impression that men wrote the Bible and tried to explain what they thought God wanted to say to humanity. This leaves an easy out for people who do not want to believe some of the things they deem “distasteful”. For example, Hell becomes a fabrication—a story invented to scare people into obeying the rules of the church.
Hell has always been a fabrication, the twisted product of mistranslation and bad exegesis.
The orginal letters of the scriptures were cwertainly isnpired by God, however mans interpretation of those letters after they have been badly translated is certainly not fool proof. Of Course you may believe that the holy spirit leads you in your learning and understandding of all the truth of the bible, and wouldn't allow you to believe something that wasn't true. While anyone who disagrees with you are simply out of luck, they must not be real Christians if they dont believe exactly like you do ... Is that the way of it?
Where in the apostles Creed is believing in ET and a literal hell said to be necssary for a true Christian?
The earliest Christians in the east who spoke greek as their native tongue did not believe the scriptures taught everlasting torment. It was the western latin speaking Christians who came up with that idea.
Four of the six catechetical schools which existed during the first four centuries of the common era taught the doctrine of the restitution of all things/apocatastasis ... That is a fact jack ... The ET crowd was the latin fringe group at that time in Carthage.
Mainstream traditional Christianity today is nothing like what it was in the first few centuries of the early Church period.
We believe the scriptures to be inspired, but also that the fundamentalist orthodox tradition is not accurate to the true original message of the Good News of the restitution of all things in Christ which was taght by Christ, the apostles, and the prophets before them.
Hell has always been a fabrication, the twisted product of mistranslation and bad exegesis.
The orginal letters of the scriptures were cwertainly isnpired by God, however mans interpretation of those letters after they have been badly translated is certainly not fool proof. Of Course you may believe that the holy spirit leads you in your learning and understandding of all the truth of the bible, and wouldn't allow you to believe something that wasn't true. While anyone who disagrees with you are simply out of luck, they must not be real Christians if they dont believe exactly like you do ... Is that the way of it?
Where in the apostles Creed is believing in ET and a literal hell said to be necssary for a true Christian?
The earliest Christians in the east who spoke greek as their native tongue did not believe the scriptures taught everlasting torment. It was the western latin speaking Christians who came up with that idea.
Four of the six catechetical schools which existed during the first four centuries of the common era taught the doctrine of the restitution of all things/apocatastasis ... That is a fact jack ... The ET crowd was the latin fringe group at that time in Carthage.
Mainstream traditional Christianity today is nothing like what it was in the first few centuries of the early Church period.
We believe the scriptures to be inspired, but also that the fundamentalist orthodox tradition is not accurate to the true original message of the Good News of the restitution of all things in Christ which was taght by Christ, the apostles, and the prophets before them.
The Scriptures are God-breathed. Everything contained in them was given to the human authors of the Scriptures by God the Holy Spirit. In the original languages they are infallible.
The Holy Spirit will never reveal anything to a believer that is contrary to what the Scriptures say.
Universalism is not the topic of this thread. keep it out of here.
The Scriptures are God-breathed. Everything contained in them was given to the human authors of the Scriptures by God the Holy Spirit. In the original languages they are infallible.
The Holy Spirit will never reveal anything to a believer that is contrary to what the Scriptures say.
Universalism is not the topic of this thread. keep it out of here.
I am answering the topic ... When i say that we(those of us that believe in UR) believe the scriptures are inspired, and their original meaning was better understood by early native koine greek speaking people who read the orginal letters of the new testament in their native tongue. What they believed the scriptures taught is very different than what Fundamentalist orthodox Christianity thinks them to teach today.
So God was letting the vast majority of Christians in the first 3 centuries be decieved ... ?
And what about before the advent of protestantism, everyone was a Catholic that was a Christian, so did the holy spirit alow Christians during those times to be decieved until the reformation happened?
Your logic does not fall in line with the history and development of Christianity throughout the past 2000 years.
So God was letting the vast majority of Christians in the first 3 centuries be decieved ... ?
James 4:1 From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members?
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And what about before the advent of protestantism, everyone was a Catholic that was a Christian, so did the holy spirit alow Christians during those times to be decieved until the reformation happened?
James 4:1 From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members?
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Your logic does not fall in line with the history and development of Christianity throughout the past 2000 years.
I think his logic fits in nicely with the scriptures on this subject.
It is yours, that is highly questionable.
James 4:1 From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members?
James 4:1 From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members?
I think his logic fits in nicely with the scriptures on this subject.
It is yours, that is highly questionable.
Yeah this coming from somone who believes that the poster of the OP is decieved in his believing in dispensational futurism. The same poster who believes you to be decived for being preterist. So did the holy spirit let one or the both of you become decieved then? You two certainly do not believe in the same interpretation of scripture ...
I am answering the topic ... When i say that we(those of us that believe in UR) believe the scriptures are inspired, and their original meaning was better understood by early native koine greek speaking people who read the orginal letters of the new testament in their native tongue. What they believed the scriptures taught is very different than what Fundamentalist orthodox Christianity thinks them to teach today.
So God was letting the vast majority of Christians in the first 3 centuries be decieved ... ?
And what about before the advent of protestantism, everyone was a Catholic that was a Christian, so did the holy spirit alow Christians during those times to be decieved until the reformation happened?
Your logic does not fall in line with the history and development of Christianity throughout the past 2000 years.
Thank you, Ironmaw1776. I am a fan of logic, but I don't find it very much in tradition.
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, but I don't find it very much in tradition.
