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View Poll Results: How big/small do the following metros feel?
ATL feels about its size 6 4.65%
ATL feels bigger 20 15.50%
ATL feels smaller 18 13.95%
DFW feels about its size 1 0.78%
DFW feels bigger 32 24.81%
DFW feels smaller 9 6.98%
Houston feels about its size 6 4.65%
Houston feels bigger 31 24.03%
Houston feels smaller 6 4.65%
Voters: 129. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-25-2011, 10:53 PM
 
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Nah, if these cities can build an LRT system that is flexible and reliable. It can work just as well. The whole purpose is to get people from point A to point B. This can be done efficiently with light rail. The issue with Houston is it does it in the most cheap and unreliable way possible. Dallas simply doesn't have the core or layout to have a successful rail system imo. Light Rail can travel up to speeds just as high as heavy rail, but the issue is that light rail is used more for the inner city and requires more stops. It usually never gets the opportunity to reach top speed.
DART is working just fine in Dallas. I personally find Dallas core to be strengthening and much stronger than Houston in many criteria such as LRT system.

 
Old 04-26-2011, 12:40 AM
 
Location: America
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Nah, if these cities can build an LRT system that is flexible and reliable. It can work just as well. The whole purpose is to get people from point A to point B. This can be done efficiently with light rail. The issue with Houston is it does it in the most cheap and unreliable way possible. Dallas simply doesn't have the core or layout to have a successful rail system imo. Light Rail can travel up to speeds just as high as heavy rail, but the issue is that light rail is used more for the inner city and requires more stops. It usually never gets the opportunity to reach top speed.
I want one line of heavy rail got dangit. From Bush to downtown; downtown to the Galleria.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 12:42 AM
 
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I want one line of heavy rail got dangit. From Bush to downtown; downtown to the Galleria.
Are you suggesting Houston go bankrupt.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 07:30 AM
 
Location: NE Atlanta Metro
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DART is working just fine in Dallas. I personally find Dallas core to be strengthening and much stronger than Houston in many criteria such as LRT system.
Agreed.

With 72 miles of LRT complete, DART is decades ahead of Houston MetroRail.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 07:48 AM
 
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Looks like DFW and Houston are neck-and-neck.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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The difference between LRT and Heavy rail subway isn't so much speed, but a matter of capacity.

I did a little digging and found that a three car DART train like this one:



Has a maximum capacity of 600 passengers.
DART runs 2 of the three-car trains on Red, Blue, and Orange lines and, 3 of the three-car trains on Green line
 
Old 04-26-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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DART is working just fine in Dallas. I personally find Dallas core to be strengthening and much stronger than Houston in many criteria such as LRT system.
My statement was due to the fact that Dallas doesn't have a centralized core like Houston.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 11:35 AM
 
Location: NE Houston Texas
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Agreed.

With 72 miles of LRT complete, DART is decades ahead of Houston MetroRail.
With in 15 years Houston will Most assuredly have at the very minimum 35 miles of rail (this ill happen with in the next 5). And plans to add an additional 30 miles is still being discussed in terms of impact on communities.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 11:57 AM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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DART is working just fine in Dallas. I personally find Dallas core to be strengthening and much stronger than Houston in many criteria such as LRT system.
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Originally Posted by Scout_972 View Post
Agreed.

With 72 miles of LRT complete, DART is decades ahead of Houston MetroRail.
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My statement was due to the fact that Dallas doesn't have a centralized core like Houston.
Exactly. DART rail is in Dallas' core for a short amount of time. The ridership numbers for the amount of rail miles is pretty low. When Houston has it's next expansion, it'll have more riders than DART, with about half the miles. It has half the ridership, with like a sixth of the miles of track (before the Green Line opening).

The rail now currently connects a lot of the important areas in the inner loop. The next expansion will just connect the rest. They need to work on getting an extension to at least Hobby. Dallas has one to Love Field, and then Dfw Airport in a few years, iirc.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 12:33 PM
 
Location: NE Atlanta Metro
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Exactly. DART rail is in Dallas' core for a short amount of time. The ridership numbers for the amount of rail miles is pretty low. When Houston has it's next expansion, it'll have more riders than DART, with about half the miles. It has half the ridership, with like a sixth of the miles of track (before the Green Line opening).

The rail now currently connects a lot of the important areas in the inner loop. The next expansion will just connect the rest. They need to work on getting an extension to at least Hobby. Dallas has one to Love Field, and then Dfw Airport in a few years, iirc.
Problem is, you're basing this on assumptions, maybe projections? Let's wait until MetroRail's 'next' expansion is up and running before we make comparisons.
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