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DFW may be one area because development is pretty much consistent, but it doesn't operate as one. It's still two different and distinct metro areas, with some overlap here and there. Just look at the jobs. The Dallas side gets all the new white collar jobs, while the Fort Worth side gets the blue collar jobs. It's still long distance to call from Dallas to Fort Worth and vice versa. If your zip code starts with "75---" you're on the Dallas side. If it starts with "76---", you're on the Fort Worth side.
Plenty of differences between the two still.
And as far as Houston being more internationally known....ever heard of the energy industry? Houston is so little known internationally that it has so few foreign consulates. You are so right.
DFW might be a bit polarized but it is still one metropolitan area just like the even more polarized Bay Area. What does it matter what types of jobs one city gets or zip codes they have, none of that matters.
DFW might be a bit polarized but it is still one metropolitan area just like the even more polarized Bay Area. What does it matter what types of jobs one city gets or zip codes they have, none of that matters.
It shows the divide in DFW. They still function as two separate metro areas for the most part. There isn't much overlap if you don't have a job on the Dallas side, but live in the FW side (or vice versa). It's why Dallas feels smaller than Houston...because it is, even though the metro area is larger. And DFW is probably the most polarized metro. Only Los Angeles and Detroit have more jobs outside of Downtown than Dallas does.
What do you mean that DFW is probably the "most polarized metro"?
Do you have some sort of data to back up this statement?
What are the metrics you are using to make such a claim??
And what data do you have that supports your claim that Dallas has more jobs outside its Downtown except only LA or Detroit?
Why are you taking offense to that? Considering you live in DFW, you should know that it is extremely polarized. As for my source:
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Grading the region
The study’s co-author, Adie Tomer, said the Brookings research did not grade individual agencies on their performance. Instead, the research looks at how well urban areas have created transit options for their workers.
In North Texas as a whole, the answer is not very well. And the relatively sparse geographic coverage provided by DART and its two smaller counterparts is only part of the reason.
The share of jobs a typical commuter can reach by transit is much smaller here than elsewhere. That’s true in the area’s biggest cities as well as in its suburbs, the report showed.
In metro Houston, for instance, 30 percent of the region’s jobs are accessible by transit, compared with 19 percent in the Dallas area.
That’s true in part because Dallas-area jobs are more spread out than just about anywhere else in America. A 2009 study, also by Brookings, showed that 67 percent of all jobs in the Dallas metro area were located more than 10 miles from the downtown, a bigger share than anywhere in the U.S. besides Detroit and Los Angeles.
“Dallas faces really high levels of what we call job sprawl,” Tomer said. “That’s not conducive to providing transit service to people who want to get to work.”
But other areas with similar challenges have done much better at keeping transit an option for their workers, according to the report’s findings.
In Los Angeles, where jobs are more spread out than in Dallas, transit agencies have responded by locating rail or bus stops in nearly every neighborhood. Ninety-six percent of working-age residents live within three-quarters of a mile of a transit stop, the report showed.
Houston has tackled the problem differently. Residents there are slightly less likely to live near a transit stop than in the Dallas area. But Houston has ensured many more jobs are located near transit — which, Tomer said, is more important for commuters weighing whether to take transit.
“In Houston, the transit service is better coordinated with its housing and jobs,” Tomer said. “Simply put, they are doing a better job coordinating their development patterns with their infrastructure provision.”
Fewer options
The new data by Brookings shows that workers in North Texas who would like to commute by transit have fewer options to do so than just about anywhere else in the country.
Despite heavy spending on transit in North Texas, the percentage of workers who actually use buses or trains to get to work has declined in recent years, census figures indicate. In Dallas, where transit use is strongest, only 4.25 percent of commuters use it. In Dallas County as a whole, the proportion is just 1.24 percent.
He's just steadily impressing me with this 6th grade logic.
What is so elementary about my logic? Could you sit there and tell me that most people in this country know that Houston is an energy giant, and that it's internationally known for that? I didn't think so, look you Houstonians have a few things that would make DFW a better place such as being close to a large body of water, or having major trading port, other than that we have you guys on name recognition, tourist destinations, LRT, and also population, you guys can try and slice up the metroplex all you want but you guys are failing to make anyone a believer except for yourselves.
And they have long been discussing this at Dallas Metropolis, which I know you frequent.
So by going by this source I guess LA should also have its metro divided correct? All I read was that people travel long distances to work in LA, Detroit, and DFW, so what, you're not proving anything.
Look at this pic of the Dallas Skyline I just found. Sorry, I had to post this! Soon you will see a 560ft tower rising near the uptown and downtown boarder.
What is so elementary about my logic? Could you sit there and tell me that most people in this country know that Houston is an energy giant, and that it's internationally known for that? I didn't think so, look you Houstonians have a few things that would make DFW a better place such as being close to a large body of water, or having major trading port, other than that we have you guys on name recognition, tourist destinations, LRT, and also population, you guys can try and slice up the metroplex all you want but you guys are failing to make anyone a believer except for yourselves.
Just curious, what name recognition and tourist destinations does Dallas have a huge edge on Houston? As for name recognition, the only thing I can think of is the Dallas Cowboys, which is more of a domestic thing rather than international. So other than that, what else? For tourist destinations, I really can't think of a must-see destination in DFW. Does it really have something on Houston in that regard too?
Let's be honest here, Houston and DFW aren't really hotspots for vacation and certainly not in the same sentence as NYC, LA, Chicago, SF, DC, and Miami for name recognition as you listed with Dallas in a previous post. Houston and DFW will usually be associated with places to do business and to make a life with reasonable costs.
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Just curious, what name recognition and tourist destinations does Dallas have a huge edge on Houston? As for name recognition, the only thing I can think of is the Dallas Cowboys, which is more of a domestic thing rather than international. So other than that, what else? For tourist destinations, I really can't think of a must-see destination in DFW. Does it really have something on Houston in that regard too?
Let's be honest here, Houston and DFW aren't really hotspots for vacation and certainly not in the same sentence as NYC, LA, Chicago, SF, DC, and Miami for name recognition as you listed with Dallas in a previous post. Houston and DFW will usually be associated with places to do business and to make a life with reasonable costs.
I was never trying to put Dallas with the group you mentioned above, however what we do have that makes us more recognized than Houston is as follows:
Cowboys/Cowboys stadium
Fort Worth Stockyards
6th st museum (building where Lee Harvey Oswald shot the supposed fatal shot to Kennedy)
Six Flags over Texas
Fort Worth zoo
Texas Motor Speedway
Dallas zoo
Hurricane Harbor
State Fair of Texas
Now I know most of these are family attractions but they do have more recognition atleast in this state than pretty much anything else in Houston.
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Could you sit there and tell me that most people in this country know that Houston is an energy giant, and that it's internationally known for that? I didn't think so, look you Houstonians have a few things that would make DFW a better place such as being close to a large body of water, or having major trading port, other than that we have you guys on name recognition, tourist destinations, LRT, and also population, you guys can try and slice up the metroplex all you want but you guys are failing to make anyone a believer except for yourselves.
