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Top City Destinations of
European Travelers to the US, 2012
1 New York 2 SAN FRANCISCO
3 Orlando
4 Los Angeles
5 Las Vegas
6 Miami
7 Washington DC
8 Boston
9 Chicago
10 Philadelphia
11 San Diego
12 Atlanta
13 Houston
So you agree that Atlanta is the #1 city in the world for tourism, I guess. And Detroit, Dallas and Houston are big tourist centers, correct?
And Venice, Italy has a tiny airport and only one non-European carrier, so I guess Venice isn't a tourist city? And Florence has none, so even less of a tourist city than Detroit. Thanks for clearing that one up!, I guess?
You are confused. I will dumb this down for you so hopefully you can understand this. When a hub airport has international service to many destinations that's served by an overwhelming amount by the airport's host hub carrier with very little to no direct competition from a foreign carrier on similar routes then yes I agree you have a point on the area's international draw being somewhat lackluster.
SFO has about 30 foreign flag airlines flying non-stop service into the airport in addition to the airport's hub carrier (United). Therefore if a market is able to support both it's hub carrier and a foreign carrier serving the same destination than the demand is large for that market. A hub carrier at a host airport depends on both O&D and connections from other airports, but a foreign flag carrier coming in from abroad is O&D traffic fed to a MUCH larger degree.
Venice isn't the main port of entry for Italy. Neither is Florence. That would be Rome and it's served by many Asian airlines. There isn't enough business ties nor tourist demand with Asia to support a flight from Venice to Asia.
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He said we should judge the relative attractiveness of a city to foreign visitors by the # of foreign flights.
Venice has one flight from the U.S. and none from Asia, while Detroit has many flights from Europe and Asia. Therefore Detroit is an important tourist city, and Venice isn't, correct?
Dude, tourism is only a partial reason for international flights. In fact tourism takes a back seat "Literally" to business traffic. Venice does not have Asian flights because the city is a low yield destination. No carrier from Asia is going to send a widebody thousands of miles to a destination full of money losing low yield back cabin passengers. Long haul international flights make their money on premium seating. If you look at the service at Venice many destinations served by foreign carriers are seasonal which is a good indicator of a low yield destination.
Most countries besides the US may have only one or two main ports of entry. Perhaps you should look up Leonardo da Vinci–Fiumicino Airport (Rome) you will see an abundance of foreign metal from non-European carriers.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome-Fi...d_destinations
Last edited by Fastphilly; 11-29-2013 at 01:44 AM..
He said we should judge the relative attractiveness of a city to foreign visitors by the # of foreign flights.
Venice has one flight from the U.S. and none from Asia, while Detroit has many flights from Europe and Asia. Therefore Detroit is an important tourist city, and Venice isn't, correct?
I said by the number of foreign carriers. There is a difference between foreign flights and foreign carriers.
Delta and Singapore is a foreign flight. Only Singapore is a foreign carrier.
No offense, but NO is about 10 times the city feel of Atlanta. Atlanta (the city) feels more suburban than the suburbs of older cities. Some place like Long Island or New Jersey makes core Atlanta neighborhoods look like the country.
The most urban neighborhood in Atlanta looks like the suburbs of NO, IMO.
So if people want to publically imbibe themselves into a drunken stupor at 5am NOLA is the place-more power to them, I'm not here to judge, but there are certain advantages to sleep that I think are far more rewarding in the long term than drowning out reality by drinking-like increased productivity which usually translates to higher earnings.
And what does increased productivity and higher earnings mean to an entire Metro Area?
Well for one, a higher probability of having more suburban areas with excellent schools, low crime, extremely high quality of life and near perfect places to raise a family.
Cities/Towns/Census Places with an Average Family Income $150,000+
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner Metro Area: 0 cities & towns
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont Metro Area: 50 cities & towns
Atherton, CA $442,470
Portola Valley, CA $423,259
Hillsborough, CA $388,659
Woodside, CA $361,433
Belvedere, CA $319,852
Ladera, CA $308,166
Tiburon, CA $306,326
Piedmont, CA $288,951
Norris Canyon, CA $284,883
Kentfield, CA $276,822
Ross, CA $275,091
West Menlo Park, CA $269,401
Blackhawk, CA $248,147
Sleepy Hollow, CA $241,460
Orinda, CA $242,220
Emerald Lake Hills, CA $237,235
Shell Ridge, CA $232,220
Mill Valley, CA $223,117
San Miguel, CA $215,856
Menlo Park, CA $215,463
Reliez Valley, CA $210,088
Alamo, CA $209,976
Lafayette, CA $207,993
Sausalito, CA $200,046
Camino Tassajara, CA $195,256
Acalanes Ridge, CA $195,034
Black Point-Green Point, CA $193,297
Danville, CA $192,118
Highlands-Baywood Park, CA $190,021
Castle Hill, CA $187,053
Larkspur, CA $186,535
Alto, CA $186,360
Alhambra Valley, CA $185,691
Tamalpais-Homestead Valley, CA $183,562
Strawberry, CA $182,250
Moraga, CA $184,850
Lucas Valley-Marinwood, CA $182,247
San Carlos, CA $180,595
Corte Madera, CA $179,079
El Granada, CA $174,068
Montara, CA $173,876
Stinson Beach, CA $169,850
Sunol, CA $167,250
Kensington, CA $162,718
Pleasanton, CA $161,511
Clayton, CA $161,267
Burlingame, CA $161,165
Muir Beach, CA $160,838
San Ramon, CA $157,274
Foster City, CA $156,105
So if people want to publically imbibe themselves into a drunken stupor at 5am NOLA is the place-more power to them, I'm not here to judge, but there are certain advantages to sleep that I think are far more rewarding in the long term than drowning out reality by drinking-like increased productivity which usually translates to higher earnings.
And what does increased productivity and higher earnings mean to an entire Metro Area?
Well for one, a higher probability of having more suburban areas with excellent schools, low crime, extremely high quality of life and near perfect places to raise a family.
Cities/Towns/Census Places with an Average Family Income $150,000+
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner Metro Area: 0 cities & towns
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont Metro Area: 50 cities & towns
Atherton, CA $442,470
Portola Valley, CA $423,259
Hillsborough, CA $388,659
Woodside, CA $361,433
Belvedere, CA $319,852
Ladera, CA $308,166
Tiburon, CA $306,326
Piedmont, CA $288,951
Norris Canyon, CA $284,883
Kentfield, CA $276,822
Ross, CA $275,091
West Menlo Park, CA $269,401
Blackhawk, CA $248,147
Sleepy Hollow, CA $241,460
Orinda, CA $242,220
Emerald Lake Hills, CA $237,235
Shell Ridge, CA $232,220
Mill Valley, CA $223,117
San Miguel, CA $215,856
Menlo Park, CA $215,463
Reliez Valley, CA $210,088
Alamo, CA $209,976
Lafayette, CA $207,993
Sausalito, CA $200,046
Camino Tassajara, CA $195,256
Acalanes Ridge, CA $195,034
Black Point-Green Point, CA $193,297
Danville, CA $192,118
Highlands-Baywood Park, CA $190,021
Castle Hill, CA $187,053
Larkspur, CA $186,535
Alto, CA $186,360
Alhambra Valley, CA $185,691
Tamalpais-Homestead Valley, CA $183,562
Strawberry, CA $182,250
Moraga, CA $184,850
Lucas Valley-Marinwood, CA $182,247
San Carlos, CA $180,595
Corte Madera, CA $179,079
El Granada, CA $174,068
Montara, CA $173,876
Stinson Beach, CA $169,850
Sunol, CA $167,250
Kensington, CA $162,718
Pleasanton, CA $161,511
Clayton, CA $161,267
Burlingame, CA $161,165
Muir Beach, CA $160,838
San Ramon, CA $157,274
Foster City, CA $156,105
Sure, why not.
But people don't live at festivals.
Doesn't the COL in California affect that versus the COL in Louisiana?
Actually you pretty much live at festivals in New Orleans, they are weekly.
New Orleans is making strides, but it still has some rounding out to do. It's a great city for enjoying the simple things in life, but it does lack the variety of opportunities you can get in the larger cities. I don't think anyone can really deny that.
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