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Sorry son, but in 2014 New York is alright, but not really as nice as SF.
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More diversity
Nope. The Bay Area is both more diverse and more integrated.
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More vibrant
SF is plenty vibrant, thank you very much.
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Better architecture
You are entitled to an opinion.
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Better economy
Not even close. SFs economy is much better.
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Better location
Nope. Manhattan is surrounded by hundreds of square miles of underwhelming, underperforming, economically depressed ghettos. SFs location and surroundings are much better.
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Better colleges
Cal and Stanford beat them all.
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Better mass transit
Yay, too bad outside of Manhattan, there's nothing of note anyone wants to see, except maybe the airport.
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More to do things to do
Better cuisine
Nope. SF has more than enough things to do and pound for pound better food.
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More international city
Nope. The Bay Area is just as foreign born, about 30%-yawns
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More famous
Who cares? SF is richer and more sophisticated overall.
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More urban
Most of that is boring and/or unlivable by our standards.
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Better suburbs
Prove it.
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More down to earth people
i.e. More underwhelming, undereducated and unambitious folks.
Im just saying, please get off of my phone with this foolishness.
Our education system isn't top of the list. Neither is our quality of life, public transportation, or health care. SO while we do have best of the best of SOME things, certainly not all.
Our healthcare is #1. American Universities produce the best physicians in the world. People come from all over the world to the US for medical treatment.
Public transit- Our freeway system is pretty good and gas is cheap, so there you go.
Education- Sure we may get beat by Korea in K-12, but American colleges and universities are the best in the world bar none. More people come to the US to go to school than anywhere else. The best researchers.
Quality of life- Work hard, don't suck and it'll be good.
I don't know, it would be hard to say. I think New York would be the overall better city to me, however the big downside is that the winters are absolutely brutal and it lacks the scenic beauty of the West Coast.
NYC winters are not that bad man, I lived in Long Island for a few year it gets cold but you got used it to, especially if you get a nice winter coat... feels good when you are drunk. I love cold weather, just not windy. Plus it gets cold in San Fran at night.
Our healthcare is #1. American Universities produce the best physicians in the world. People come from all over the world to the US for medical treatment.
Public transit- Our freeway system is pretty good and gas is cheap, so there you go.
Education- Sure we may get beat by Korea in K-12, but American colleges and universities are the best in the world bar none. More people come to the US to go to school than anywhere else. The best researchers.
Quality of life- Work hard, don't suck and it'll be good.
The fact that you talk about gas prices and freeways goes to show that our public transportation is bad. BTW--public transit would be buses, subways, etc. Our trains here are nowhere NEAR as advanced as they are in Japan, and even China is starting to get to that level. European mass transit, as well as mass transit in Japan, is far better and cleaner than what we have.
Quality of life: Paternity/Maternity leave and vacation time is much higher in other industrialized countries, besides Japan (which is worse than ours), and Canada's is barely better than ours. There's far more crime in the USA than there is in other industrialized nations. And most other industrialized countries, if not all, are cleaner than the US, at least in terms of cities. Now look at this list (Top 17 Cities With The Highest Quality Of Life | Cities Journal). Only two cities out of 17 are American, and both are astronomically expensive. Besides, those two cities on the list aren't even top 10.
Health Care: Our health care system, compared to the other industrialized countries, is a joke.
NYC winters are not that bad man, I lived in Long Island for a few year it gets cold but you got used it to, especially if you get a nice winter coat... feels good when you are drunk. I love cold weather, just not windy. Plus it gets cold in San Fran at night.
For some people--myself included--East Coast winters suck. I have SAD, and I'd imagine the poster you responded to has something similar if not the same. The snow, 3 months of cold, and oftentimes, cloudy weather gets old and depressing after a while. The trees are ugly and bare, the snow eventually just becomes one big ugly gray dirty pile at the side of the road, and even for those who enjoy the cold, they usually get tired of it after January 1, hence why so many move to warmer climates. Besides, the Northeast does often get really windy in the winter, and that's not fun.
Sorry son, but in 2014 New York is alright, but not really as nice as SF.
Nope. The Bay Area is both more diverse and more integrated.
SF is plenty vibrant, thank you very much.
You are entitled to an opinion.
Not even close. SFs economy is much better.
Nope. Manhattan is surrounded by hundreds of square miles of underwhelming, underperforming, economically depressed ghettos. SFs location and surroundings are much better.
Cal and Stanford beat them all.
Yay, too bad outside of Manhattan, there's nothing of note anyone wants to see, except maybe the airport.
Nope. SF has more than enough things to do and pound for pound better food.
Nope. The Bay Area is just as foreign born, about 30%-yawns
Who cares? SF is richer and more sophisticated overall.
Most of that is boring and/or unlivable by our standards.
Prove it.
i.e. More underwhelming, undereducated and unambitious folks.
Im just saying, please get off of my phone with this foolishness.
SF is in no city's shadow, especially New Pork.
I agree with you that NYC is really overrated, but saying that SF is more diverse and integrated than NYC is laughable and false. SF Bay Area also has many "underperforming, dirty" ghettoes; in fact, SF is probably just as filthy and smelly as NYC is. And NYC has the number one economy out of any city in the US, closely followed by LA, and second in the world after Tokyo. So no, SF's economy is not better. San Francisco, being a smaller city, also has less things to do than not only NYC, but also Los Angeles and Chicago, and even less to do than other cities like Miami, Boston, Philadelphia, and Washington DC, possibly Seattle as well. The food in SF, while good, is nowhere near the diversity you can get in NYC, LA, or Chicago, and the quality isn't quite as good either. I'll give you that SF has better Chinese food and maybe seafood, but that's where it ends. SF is not more wealthy or sophisticated than NYC at all, and it's nowhere NEAR as international as NYC, LA, or even Miami and Washington DC.
I agree that NYC is not the end all be all place, but for that matter, neither is San Francisco. In many of the things listed above, San Francisco isn't even second place (after NYC).
Sorry son, but in 2014 New York is alright, but not really as nice as SF.
Nope. The Bay Area is both more diverse and more integrated.
Okay but as a city it's certainly New York by far.
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SF is plenty vibrant, thank you very much.
Yes but it doesn't compare to NYC. it's own a completely different level. To think that a little city like SF can hold it's own against NYC is laughable. If Chicago and Los Angeles can't even compete with New York in terms of vibrancy than what on earth would make you think SF stands a chance.
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Not even close. SFs economy is much better.
How are you so sure about that?
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Nope. Manhattan is surrounded by hundreds of square miles of underwhelming, underperforming, economically depressed ghettos. SFs location and surroundings are much better.
Did you forget that it's located near 4 different states and is in close promixity to Philadelphia, Boston, and the Nations capitol. The Bay area has no answer for that. What's so great about being so close to Sacramento?
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Cal and Stanford beat them all.
I guess you never heard of Yale and Columbia University when usually ranked high lists every year. Not too mention the other universities in the New York Tri-state area that are pretty respectable like Rutgers, NYU, and Saint John's University.
Yay, too bad outside of Manhattan, there's nothing of note anyone wants to see, except maybe the airport.
I'll would rather have the option of having 24-hour subway and commuter rail service in the city and the New York suburbs.
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Nope. SF has more than enough things to do and pound for pound better food.
SF wins when it comes to Asian and Mexican cuisine cuisine but New york wins with everything else. You can find a New York style pizza shop all over the country. How often to you find SF cuisine outside of California.
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Nope. The Bay Area is just as foreign born, about 30%-yawns
Okay, I'll give you that one.
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Who cares? SF is richer and more sophisticated overall.
Most of that is boring and/or unlivable by our standards.
Well since you a poster known for having swiss bank accounts, I'll take you're word for.
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i.e. More underwhelming, undereducated and unambitious folks.
Im just saying, please get off of my phone with this foolishness.
SF is in no city's shadow, especially New Pork.
I know you boost SF like there's no tomorrow but do you really believe that SF or the Bay Area is on the same level as NYC? SF is more comparable to cities like Washington DC and Boston.
^^Not even. I can't speak for Boston yet since I haven't been, but I found Washington DC FAR more impressive than San Francisco. SF is more naturally beautiful, but other than that:
-it was stinky
-it was dirty
-the people were unbelievably rude and arrogant
-there were too many hipsters
-it wasn't as "big city feeling" as I expected
What Boston is to New York is what San Francisco is to Los Angeles.
No comparison , New York trumps San Francisco in every aspect.
San francisco does have a good natural setting though.
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