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View Poll Results: New York City vs San Francisco
New York 310 56.36%
San Francisco 240 43.64%
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Old 12-01-2014, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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The average age in San Francisco is like 63 (ok 39) and unlike cities like Philly/NYC there are no children so when you add in the wealth factor, of course it will be more educated on a per-capita basis than formerly huge industrial cities.

I don't even think there are 100,000 people in San Francisco under 18, but according to the national under 18 metrics you used over 200,000 are being discounted.

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Old 12-01-2014, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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The average age in San Francisco is like 63 (ok 39) and unlike cities like Philly/NYC there are no children so when you add in the wealth factor, of course it will be more educated on a per-capita basis than formerly huge industrial cities.

I don't even think there are 100,000 people in San Francisco under 18, but according to the national under 18 metrics you used over 200,000 are being discounted.
Those stats are for ADULTS ONLY, doesnt include children.

Adults with a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2013
San Francisco City, CA 53.0%
Oakland City, CA 38.6%
New York City, NY 35.7%
Philadelphia City, PA 25.2%

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Median Household Income, 2013
San Francisco, CA $77,485
Manhattan, NY $72,190
Oakland, CA $54,394
New York, NY $52,223
Philadelphia, PA $36,836

Median Family Income, 2013
San Francisco, CA $95,421
Manhattan, NY $88,247
Oakland, CA $60,412
New York, NY $58,012
Philadelphia, PA $48,584

Persons Below Poverty Line, 2013
Philadelphia, PA 26.3%
New York, NY 20.9%
Oakland, CA 19.5%
Manhattan, NY 14.9%
San Francisco, CA 13.8%
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Old 12-01-2014, 08:44 AM
 
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NYC by a lot

SFO is just another American city full of stereotypical hipsters and obnoxious people who cannot shut up about being vegan, feminists, liberals etc. etc.

NYC on the other hand is cosmopolitan and worldly which SFO is not!
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Old 12-01-2014, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Those stats are for ADULTS ONLY, doesnt include children.

Adults with a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2013
San Francisco City, CA 53.0%
Oakland City, CA 38.6%
New York City, NY 35.7%
Philadelphia City, PA 25.2%


factfinder2.census.gov

Median Household Income, 2013
San Francisco, CA $77,485
Manhattan, NY $72,190
Oakland, CA $54,394
New York, NY $52,223
Philadelphia, PA $36,836

Median Family Income, 2013
San Francisco, CA $95,421
Manhattan, NY $88,247
Oakland, CA $60,412
New York, NY $58,012
Philadelphia, PA $48,584

Persons Below Poverty Line, 2013
Philadelphia, PA 26.3%
New York, NY 20.9%
Oakland, CA 19.5%
Manhattan, NY 14.9%
San Francisco, CA 13.8%

Still, I don't think rates tell the whole story when we are comparing cities with a difference in population of over 10-fold or 8 Million people.

It'd be like comparing San Francisco to Princeton, NJ which has a median household income of over $98,000 and a bachelor degree rate of 72%.
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NYC
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Still, I don't think rates tell the whole story when we are comparing cities with a difference in population of over 10-fold or 8 Million people.

It'd be like comparing San Francisco to Princeton, NJ which has a median household income of over $98,000 and a bachelor degree rate of 72%.
I'm not sure if he understands this is a prime example where his stat/percentages are useless and raw numbers still prove more people in NY has a bachelor degree or higher.

35% of 8 Million is still WAY MORE than 53% of 800,000. He's a mess.
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:07 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Gibberish.

Adults with a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2013
San Francisco City, CA 53.0%
Oakland City, CA 38.6%
New York City, NY 35.7%
Philadelphia City, PA 25.2%

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haha no not really.
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haha nice try.

Adults Age 25+ who do NOT have a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2013
New York, NY 3,722,125
Philadelphia, PA 765,892
San Francisco, CA 309,441
Oakland, CA 175,289

Wonderful switch among proportions, percentages, and absolute numbers for whenever the argument suits you. Really good obfuscation here.

NYC has more of everything, that's it.
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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LoL @ 18Montclair. Once in a blue moon he'll post useful stats or say something that means something. But quite candidly here, in C-D terms he does A LOT more damage to SF's credibility than he does help it. The last 3-4 pages demonstrate that.
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Old 12-01-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Still, I don't think rates tell the whole story
Surprise Surprise.

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when we are comparing cities with a difference in population of over 10-fold or 8 Million people.
Nothing changes when I compare NYC to the Bay Area CSA(Pop 8.469 Million) or the SF-Oakland Urban Area(3.411 Million)

And the SF Urban Area is not a bad boroughized version of SF for comparative purposes to NYC because it excludes Marin County and the outer East Bay. It's just The City, San Mateo County bayshore and 510 area code.

Population and Area, 2013
New York City, NY.................................8,405,837...... ...304 sq miles
San Francisco-Oakland Urban Area....3,411,664.........523 sq miles

Racial Breakdown, New York City, 2013
White 32.6%
Hispanic 28.9%
Black 22.4%
Asian 13.4%
Two or More Races 1.6%

Racial Breakdown, San Francisco-Oakland Urban Area, 2013
White 37.0%
Asian 27.0%
Hispanic 22.4%
Black 8.3%
Two or More Races 3.7%

Adults with a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2013
San Francisco-Oakland Urban Area 45.5%
New York City 35.7%

Median Family Income, 2013
San Francisco-Oakland Urban Area $91,802
New York City $58,012
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Old 12-01-2014, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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LoL @ 18Montclair. Once in a blue moon he'll post useful stats or say something that means something. But quite candidly here, in C-D terms he does A LOT more damage to SF's credibility than he does help it. The last 3-4 pages demonstrate that.
SF's "credibility"? WHO THE EFF gives a flying EFF what these people deem to be "credible"?

This is a versus thread and has nothing to do with finding consensus and seeking approval.
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Old 12-01-2014, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Wonderful switch among proportions, percentages, and absolute numbers for whenever the argument suits you. Really good obfuscation here.
Actually I was responding to a post where the person posted the total number so yeah...but I am a relentless litigator tho, when I need to be.

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NYC has more of everything, that's it.
And that's one of it's biggest minuses.

1.4 Million poor people and 3.7 Million uneducated adults in 304 sq miles is not my cup 'a tea. Thanks but no thanks.
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