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Old 02-25-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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The technicality that some boosters skip is that commuting is based on core counties. Mercer is tagged unto or off Philly based on commuting to Philadelphia county not other counties in the metro.

Anyway, these things are mainly for bragging rights. Like you, people outside of CD could care less where Mercer is considered
Agree. Most people have no clue what this crap even means in real life. The Lower portions of Mercer are absolutely still considered part of the Philadelphia area to everyone who knows the area. There are a handful of Philadelphia radio stations in Trenton and Trenton is serviced by the Philadelphia media market. IDK why people care whether or not the census says it's part of the area on paper or not. The South Jersey shore is the same way... most people know that is Philly territory lol.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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Agree. Most people have no clue what this crap even means in real life. The Lower portions of Mercer are absolutely still considered part of the Philadelphia area to everyone who knows the area. There are a handful of Philadelphia radio stations in Trenton and Trenton is serviced by the Philadelphia media market. IDK why people care whether or not the census says it's part of the area on paper or not. The South Jersey shore is the same way... most people know that is Philly territory lol.
The weather people here for example show forecasts for as far as Austin. No layperson knows where the Houston area starts and where it ends.

Back in the day I thought Wharton and Matagorda counties were part of the Houston Metro because the forecasters often mentioned those by name. Then actually driving out that way you see that those places are far removed from the metro and not even classified as being part of the metro.Matagorda is considered part of the CSA but the interaction with the MSA is rather loose. I hear more chemical plants are opening in Angleton so that may keep it tied to Brazoria County (which is a core county) but for the near future its still going to be peacefully rural for as far as the eye can see https://maps.google.com/maps?q=matag...=12,91.45,,0,0
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Those estimates look very generous to me.
I am sort of inclined to agree, but some areas Im pretty confdent on based on current trends.

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DC up by 100B in two years I do not see.
The projections I calculated dont say that:

Washington-Baltimore-Northern VA
2011 $586.593 Billion
2012 $603.017 Billion
2013 $619.901 Billion
2011-2013 +$33.308 Billion
2011-2013 +5.6%
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:48 AM
 
Location: The City
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The weather people here for example show forecasts for as far as Austin. No layperson knows where the Houston area starts and where it ends.

Back in the day I thought Wharton and Matagorda counties were part of the Houston Metro because the forecasters often mentioned those by name. Then actually driving out that way you see that those places are far removed from the metro and not even classified as being part of the metro.Matagorda is considered part of the CSA but the interaction with the MSA is rather loose. I hear more chemical plants are opening in Angleton so that may keep it tied to Brazoria County (which is a core county) but for the near future its still going to be peacefully rural for as far as the eye can see https://maps.google.com/maps?q=matag...=12,91.45,,0,0

I think its more than weather. There is a Philadelphia sports radio station that broadcasts from Trenton (meaning it does because it captures the right audience for local sports talk.)

Also Mercer is part of the Philly media market. Mercer advertises its hospitals for example against Philly ones as opposed to NY ones etc.

Its more than a city on a map, the local weather radar shows NYC, Balt, DC, Harrisburg etc but no one is making that connection. The news afiliates have a jersey bureau in Trenton etc. Trenton is closer to Philadelphia than the Woodlands are to Houston for example

regardless lines on the map dont really effect real life so to speak
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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I am sort of inclined to agree, but some areas Im pretty confdent on based on current trends.


The projections I calculated dont say that:

Washington-Baltimore-Northern VA
2011 $586.593 Billion
2012 $603.017 Billion
2013 $619.901 Billion
2011-2013 +$33.308 Billion
2011-2013 +5.6%
Never mind. I was thinking back to DC's GDP only. Not including Baltimore. Thats why the number was much bigger than I had in my head.
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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2011 Private Industry GDP, Top 10
New York-Newark-Bridgeport $1.322 Trillion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside $809.766 Billion
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland $530.324 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City $507.161 Billion
Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia $464.924 Billion
Boston-Worcester-Manchester $404.845 Billion
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville $391.242 Billion
Dallas-Fort Worth $364.061 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland $339.382 Billion
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville $263.506 Billion
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Old 02-25-2013, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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I honestly hope that the dollar stops weakening because then the actual values of these metro economies would actually be growing, instead of the dollar being worth way less and the values being reflective of the current worth of the dollar.

It's like that old joke: "20 years ago, it took 2 people to carry $20 worth of groceries. Now, a 5 year old can do it!"

That's something to take into consideration when looking at all these numbers. But the relative growth of the metro economies is something more people are interested in, seeing how this is City vs City. Congratulations to Houston and the Bay Area: I hope LA rejoins your ranks one day!
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Old 02-25-2013, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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I honestly hope that the dollar stops weakening because then the actual values of these metro economies would actually be growing, instead of the dollar being worth way less and the values being reflective of the current worth of the dollar.

It's like that old joke: "20 years ago, it took 2 people to carry $20 worth of groceries. Now, a 5 year old can do it!"

That's something to take into consideration when looking at all these numbers. But the relative growth of the metro economies is something more people are interested in, seeing how this is City vs City. Congratulations to Houston and the Bay Area: I hope LA rejoins your ranks one day!
NO!
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:49 PM
 
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Definition and numbers are concrete. Arguing it makes one look like a lunatic.
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2013
1-New York-Newark-Bridgeport +$1.523 Trillion
2-Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside $962.968 Billion
3-San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland $646.273 Billion
4-Washington-Baltimore-Northern VA $619.901 Billion
5-Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City $594.005 Billion
6-Houston-Baytown-Huntsville $492.185 Billion
7-Boston-Worcester-Manchester $480.049 Billion
8-Dallas-Ft Worth $439.535 Billion
9-Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland $393.675 Billion
10-Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville $313.433 Billion
11-Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia $289.074 Billion
12-Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach $276.709 Billion
13-Detroit-Warren-Flint $257.025 Billion
14-Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud $232.269 Billion
15-Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale $208.263 Billion
16-Denver-Aurora-Boulder $206.473 Billion

17-San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos $186.665 Billion

The Bay Area has probably already surpassed DC-Baltimore, Houston has probably already surpassed Boston and Im most impressed with Detroit as far as growth.
All in bold, same tier.

Soon will be time to carve out a brand new tier altogether.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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The technicality that some boosters skip is that commuting is based on core counties. Mercer is tagged unto or off Philly based on commuting to Philadelphia county not other counties in the metro.

Anyway, these things are mainly for bragging rights. Like you, people outside of CD could care less where Mercer is considered
Its not about bragging rights at all.Thats shallow thinking.

Rather its about relevance and marketing in the global economy. Philadelphia is the 4th largest media market in the USA. Its the 4th or 5th largest urban area in the USA. Both 1st tier rankings. According to CSMA stats Philadelphia is the 9th largest cmsa- a 2nd tier ranking despite the Philadelphia region being a top 1-5 economic power since this countrys inception.


Why is Philly 2nd tier in the cmsa's? Because its playing by a different set of rules than everyone else. Boxed in--- rightful economic spending removed or not properly awarded.

Trenton is 22 miles to Philly. 68 miles to NYC. Trentons $30 B economy awarded to NYC, like they need it.

Allentown 20 miles to Lansdale(Phila) . Allentown $30B not part of Philadelphia.

Lancaster 20 miles to Downingtown(Phila).Lancaster's $25 B not awarded.

Fredericksburg Va and Havre de Grace Md 130 miles apart. They are part of the same CMSA.

Same deal with just about every other CMSA super-metro. Chicago N+S boundaries would be the equivalent of Binghamton NY and Philadlephia being in the same cmsa.

One last time the CMSA's are a fraud. They are the combination of at least 2 seperate and distinct metroes.
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