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I can't resist...... PHILLY AND SAN FRANCISCO, ARE MORE SIMILAR IN HAVING ROW HOMES AND MUCH FEWER BIG TREES AND GREEN NEIGHBORHOODS THEN CHICAGO.... PICTURES
SAN FRANCISCO OVERVIEW ⤵
PHILLY OVERVIEW ⤵
CHICAGO OVERVIEW ⤵( SEE THE DIFFERENCE? GREEN EVERYWHERE TO DOWNTOWN)
Do you know that William Penn called Philadelphia his "greene countrie towne" and wanted houses surrounded by greenery? Phila's population growth ended that idea.
1. Chicago is the largest city in the fifth largest state
2. Chicago is the largest city in Illinois and in the Midwest.
3. Chicago is the Seat of Cook County which is the second largest county in America.
4. Chicago is the largest Midwest regional hub for air, land, water and rail passenger and commercial transportation.
5. Chicago MSA is approaching 10M in a state that is approaching 13M.
I am not excited about it or worried about it, and neither are the folks who live in Chicago. They care far more about their sports team than they care about the city of brotherly love.
I agree with everything you said and I live in philly. lol
I mean you say those residential areas of San Fran aren't downtown - but that website you reference says that the population of downtown Philadelphia goes all the way to Tasker?
I've never heard that. I've seen people say downtown roughly starts ending once you move south of South Street. Trying to call areas south of Washington downtown is a stretch, especially all the way to Tasker.
On the north I wouldn't call all those residential areas near Girard "downtown".
I mean who walks around here and goes "I'm downtown!".
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Originally Posted by kyb01
Do you know that William Penn called Philadelphia his "greene countrie towne" and wanted houses surrounded by greenery? Phila's population growth ended that idea.
No one calls Phillies many tight Rows a green tree-lined city. It surely has planted trees in gentrified neighborhoods and it had green in its Colonial areas as Society Hill William Penn may have known? But Philly did not see green frontage and nice back yards for the masses was warranted till the 20th century had tree and green frontage neighborhoods become more standard again.
Richard Allen Homes- Those are public housing units that they pacified,spread out and inexplicably made painfully suburban. What a disaster
I agree with your point in fact I think Center City District emphasized "Greater Downtown" population.Greater referring to the inclusion of adjacent gentrifying neighborhoods to Center City.
That's where you went wrong. Those residential areas aren't part of the downtown area of SF. You can't complain about Chicago and Philly being an apples to oranges comparison then try and compare SF and Philly as if they are an apples to apples comparison to fit your argument. You can't have it both ways.
Isn't the report you're citing also mentioning "extended" downtown as in downtown then plus some area? If that's the case, shouldn't you be using "extended" downtowns for all other cities as well?
Isn't the report you're citing also mentioning "extended" downtown as in downtown then plus some area? If that's the case, shouldn't you be using "extended" downtowns for all other cities as well?
yes to me
the intent of the data they are referencing was never to call an area DT really but to look at DTs and the extended areas for analysis
I posted the original report link earlier which includes extended areas for all cities
No one calls Phillies many tight Rows a green tree-lined city. It surely has planted trees in gentrified neighborhoods and it had green in its Colonial areas as Society Hill William Penn may have known? But Philly did not see green frontage and nice back yards for the masses was warranted till the 20th century had tree and green frontage neighborhoods become more standard again.
If you count the residential areas adjacent to Downtown SF (Tenderloin, Nob Hill, Chinatown, North Beach, etc.)
Some of those areas are part of downtown though. The tenderloin and southern parts of Chinatown and Nob Hill are very much "downtown" if you ask me, and I'm a lifelong SF resident. Most people I know seem to agree.
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Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly
That's where you went wrong. Those residential areas aren't part of the downtown area of SF.
Except some of those areas actually are part of downtown SF (southern Chinatown and Nob Hill + Tenderloin).
This is definitely all downtown (and within the 2 square mile area of downtown SF, not some huge 8 square mile area like "greater" central city):
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