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for those that are curious here is a map of Toronto rapid and light rapid transit plans for the over the next 5 years
The Orange and 2 Blue lines are LRT lines under construction and will open in 2022
The light blue lines are approved and are at various stages of pre-construction with B and D to start construction soon
This map doesn't include the GO RER upgrades or the streetcar lines or various BRT systems.
The price tag for all of this is somewhere around 30 billion over the next 8 years, but maybe someone else has an exact amount
and here is Montreal larger expansions
The REM line is under construction
and REM east is in planning
Last edited by Trojan1982; 05-30-2021 at 03:51 PM..
People who voted for Chicago are living 50 years in the past or more. Toronto's been expanding their transit system much more agressively than Chicago and especially the suburbs, where Chicago's transit is nonexistent. The L looks rusty and outdated compared to a more modern Toronto subway and Chicago's new developments don't cater to transit like Toronto's do. Could Chicago have a Mississauga-level suburb with high transit use?
First we are different Nations. Chicago might be even given notoriety as creating the first suburbs too.... still few cities in the US see expansions into suburbs as easy to get. Too many feel people not locals could be brought to their doors too easily. Never forget these are separate Nations with separate major city issues though the decades and declines Toronto never experienced as if sheltered being near but but totally different legacy. History of these two cities are nothing alike.
If you think people do not know the L is not old and still using the skeleton for its tracking over 100yrs old.... apparently you see them as knowing nothing. They clearly do as no one ever reads Chicago has some ultra-modern system of a Dubai or Bankok. No it is a relic and portions on the National Register of Historic Places and stations. It survived with continual use over many generations living their lives using it. Legacy counts, its computerization had been ongoing since the 90s and is modern in such characteristics as Phone apps notifying one when trains and buses are due and screens.
Why Toronto had a steady ride in high population growth by immigration since the 60s and especially the 70. It gained what Montreal HAD and was Destined for till the Separationist Movement. That is another subject though yet key to why Toronto gained so much so quickly.
Chicago had of course every struggle of a Northern US city and declines for decades since the 60s as if a total opposite of a Toronto. Still it Legacy is secure and never will be lost or one created doing mock-like building of other cities. The L train system once many private lines with some lost. Stood the test of time and ability to modernize with Computerization of aspects newer systems have. The result is old systems that still serve and gain upgrades and expansions .... still in the US it all comes slow with very little offered federally. Those that can preserved their systems best they can.
These cities again are in different Nations with totally different histories and Legacy. It is like a Grandfather who had a full and vibrant life seeing new and change, even creating that new and change and struggles and fails. Still seen as a sum of all them parts and years that still can show well, cannot be denied or imitated.
Chicago's L still has coverage and its Metra train that's mainly going to its suburbs, city buses on streets a grid of 8-blocks to a mile and main street with a bus. Diagonal streets add further bus lines and intersections of transferring. Few US cities have such coverage and at least some of these links into its suburbs not common in the US. It is not a city that boast its coverage vs the world's cities. All know how others have built newer systems even if it has aspects copied all the way thru Asia with ultra-modern driver-less trans and costing trillions that would be more times the cost to build here without migrant labor and a cheap underclass there. Stats can claim the DC transit surpasses Chicago's even by ridership today.
Chicago's L stands tall.. It is part of Old Chicago among its classic Old early skyscrapers and also new that infilled. A city built in one similar era and style really cannot compare to one that holds a piece of every late 19th and all the 20th century. Making it forever unique.... Chicago and its core will never be seen as any other city of mass building of similar buildings. Trying to look like aspects of another city and having some aspects of its old to preserve.... but not the level of a true Legacy city. Claiming some yes. Still trying to imitate another city in a part..... generally always falls short. Though it can be fine for what it is..
As I always say today, the only relevant city for Toronto to be compared to is NYC. It clearly sees it has passed or like just yesterday or tomorrow already will.... so to claim a win for a city vs them is well.... enjoy it for the short time you have it YET......
Just a relaxing ride by the music on a full loop by L train around downtown Chicago going by its old and new though its track sounds and city sounds and announcements in on the train are replaced by music. The look is majestic nevertheless and Elevated trains are not outdated as Bankok to of coures Dubai to Tokyp have new eleveated systems that ride elevated tracks next to skyscrapers also and though their city. Subways are not the only means a MODERN city choose to build. There was NO SUCCESS in dismantling this structure and building a subway... rather new on in the 70s. It could have happened.... just too much against it and fighting to save the L which won. Money got used then to expand to the airports etc.
One can expand to more HD still it is what it is. Only shows the looping part around the Business district.
^ Chicago is ahead of Toronto in the realm of public transit. Chicago has served as the rail hub of the United States for more than a century now - there are so many commuter rail lines (e.g. Metra and Amtrak) and freight lines converging in the city.
^ Chicago is ahead of Toronto in the realm of public transit. Chicago has served as the rail hub of the United States for more than a century now - there are so many commuter rail lines (e.g. Metra and Amtrak) and freight lines converging in the city.
This does not include Toronto's extensive bus and streetcar network which extends deep into the suburbs for coverage Chicago just doesn't have.
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