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We lived in Atlanta 12 years, and left 15 years ago.
It's probably the least expensive of the big cities to live in, with Houston the only large city in it's ballpark for cost of living.
It has all the amenities, including professional sports and great culture with symphonies and art museums. And it's a fantastic restaurant city.
But Atlanta is just an hour from the Blue Ridge mountains, and two magnificent lakes are close by to the north. When it got noon on Fridays, we adjourned to our place up in the mountains for weekends.
We left because of the traffic. It sometimes took me 2 hrs. to cross town going to work in outside sales. We moved to the Tennessee River in Alabama where we have a waterfront home.
Traffic is definately a good reason to move.Luckily Im not really affected by it.
I like Phoenix. It's a city that grows on you over time. I've been to ATL and had a blast. I never been to Dallas but I heard its super nice as well; but property taxes are sky high. (if you want to own property)
Wasnt it you who first said to me my post screams "ive never left the South"?
Why would you make an assumption about what i know about Phoenix unless I said something inaccurate whcih you havent said I havent other than you didnt like what I said.
Im never a victim.Especially to anyone on CD but New York is always been known for Hip Hop like Atlanta but like NYC Atlanta isnt just hip hop.Especially when it comes to nightlife of which was the topic YOU commented on.
You are obvioulsy ignorant because YOU made the statement in regards to night life.
Poeple are always surprised how much Nashville night life isnt ruled by country music and thats ignorance as well.
Dont get mad at me because you should have known better
Show me where I ever said you never left the South. That's ridiculous. It didn't happen and you're quite mistaken, and arrogant about it to boot. I'm trying to have an adult conversation with you, but you seem to be stomping your feet and hurling insults if anyone calls you out.
What you said about Phoenix was:
"Phoenix really is not a urban city. Id say its the least urban largest major city in North America...There is a ton of stuff to do in between big cities on the East Coast.Not like in the West where its desolate for miles on end.I lived in ABQ years ago and had to drivr back and forth on accaasion to Phoenix for work.
Not just Phoenix but to Oklahoma City,Tuscon,White Sands,Las Cruces,El Paso etc. Ive driven all around to know what Im talking about"
Furthermore, I never said Atlanta was just hip hop, but is it not a current hub of hip-hop culture? Just like Nashville is a current hub of country? Of course there are other things happening in these cities, but to deny their status in said genres is ridiculous.
What I said was:
I think you're trying to shortchange Phoenix when it comes to nightlife. It may not be hip-hop focused like Atlanta, but it was different. Did you know that world renowned American-German DJ Markus Schulz was a resident DJ for many years at a club in Scottsdale beginning in the early 90's? Did you also know that Hot Mix Productions (Dave Rajput/Andrew Starr) - you know, the dance mix shows that started in the 80's and were broadcast across 175 radio stations around the world were produced here in "sleepy" Phoenix and aired on radio stations here long before Atlanta even had a hip-hop culture? Did you know that in the early 90's, trance DJ Swedish Egil (from MARS FM - later Groove Radio 103.1 in LA) had his first radio broadcast of Groove Radio International from a small radio station in Wickenburg? And that Chris Shebel, former program director at Energy 92.7 Chicago consulted on dance station Energy 92.7/101.1 in Phoenix, a station that outlived most terrestrial dance stations during the 2000's included original Energy 92.7 in Chicago? These things wouldn't have occurred if there wasn't a demand for it locally.
In response to that other post you made and commented on: What does radio broadcast have to do with nightlife? And one club doesnt make a place have good nightlife.
I cited a few examples over the years how nightlife has shaped radio and vice versa in the Valley (Yes, I cited one particular club where Markus Schulz was a resident DJ for several years, but do you really believe there was only one club in Phoenix or Scottsdale?) I'll give you another example. Take Houston, for instance. In the late 80's and early 90's, three radio stations in Houston (93Q, Energy 96.5, Power 104) all leaned towards dance and began weekend mixshows and broadcast live from various nightclubs around Houston that played a mix of industrial, EBM, new wave, gothic rock, synthpop and Hi-NRG dance because that was indicative of what was popular in the clubs, specifically Club 6400 and its many clones. This went on for a few years.
Terrestrial radio nowadays pretty much sucks IMO and has for the last several years. In the past, many radio stations would be more open to taking chances and cater to their local listeners and communities. Now, automation seems to rule the land. Like Houston, Phoenix radio was also influenced by what was popular in the clubs and nightlife scene in Phoenix and Scottsdale and the scene was pretty buzzing. When the art of beat-mixing finally debuted as a nationally syndicated radio program called "Hot Mix" in 1986, it had already launched on KOPA FM in Phoenix a year prior (1985), and actually transitioned to KZZP in Phoenix prior to going national. Since then, many other stations in Phoenix have embraced dance music whether they leaned rhythmic/dance, were dance-friendly, aired mixshows, or simulcast from nightclubs in part due to the popularity of dance music locally in the clubs. There has also been a steady presence of hip-hop on the airwaves. I can remember a time when one could easily find 4 or more mixshows simultaneously on the airwaves in Phoenix. It's not easy digging up old airchecks since some stations I could not find, but this is what I could find:
Its funny how Dallas is second on this poll to Atlanta, but most of the commentary is Atlanta vs/In Comparison to Phoenix lol. I lived in ATL for 4.5 years and just left this Nov. I think they both share a lot of similar qualities tbqh. The stark differences come from climates both metros are in with one being humid and green, and the later being arid and hot. The scenery is quite beautiful in both, in very different but obvious ways. I enjoyed my quality of life in both places equally, with the edge to Atlanta in Nightlife, area attractions/things to do, and overall culture and community feel. Phoenix lacks a community feel in many areas with so many newly relocated transplants in areas they weren't 5-10 years ago.
Phoenix is growing rapidly and as someone who grew up in the Valley, its almost hard to recognize many areas of Downtown that were notoriously bland and dead after 9pm circa 2009 when I was in college
Its totally gotten better, more lively and vibrant as of the past five years. I think this would have been a wash a decade back but it seems Phoenix has gotten more attractive in a lot of folks eyes. Atlanta is 2nd home Phoenix is 1st. Never been to Dallas, but not a big fan of Texas so...
Compared to June when it's bone dry in Phoenix it can be humid in Monsoon season but it's not even close to the average levels in Atlanta or Dallas. Atlanta average 74% humidity in July, Dallas is around 60% while Phoenix averages 32%. in June Phoenix averages just 19% humidity while Atlanta is still right around 70% and Dallas still around 60%. Phoenix is actually more humid on average in January-March then it is in the summer but the cool temps means nobody really minds, I happen to notice because my sun-glasses fog up easier when I'm out hiking.
You've made the mistake of looking at relative humidity rather than dew points.
Yes, on average Phoenix dew points during July and August are lower than those in either Atlanta or Dallas. Even during "monsoon season" it's not like the monsoonal moisture is constantly there every day. It's quite sporadic compared to the summer rains that pour on Atlanta or the Gulf moisture that pervades Dallas summer.
BUT when it gets humid in Phoenix I'll bet it does get just as humid as Atlanta and Dallas on average--by which I mean dew points in the 70s, or even 75.
Phoenix is on a different wave length. The real competition here is between Atlanta and Dallas. Because they have more in common. Phoenix is in the West which is a totally different world.
You've made the mistake of looking at relative humidity rather than dew points.
Yes, on average Phoenix dew points during July and August are lower than those in either Atlanta or Dallas. Even during "monsoon season" it's not like the monsoonal moisture is constantly there every day. It's quite sporadic compared to the summer rains that pour on Atlanta or the Gulf moisture that pervades Dallas summer.
BUT when it gets humid in Phoenix I'll bet it does get just as humid as Atlanta and Dallas on average--by which I mean dew points in the 70s, or even 75.
Yep, I know all about dew points, that's actually how the Monsoon start is determined, well until recently when they decided to set a date instead but still the most relevant info on predicting likelihood of afternoon thunderstorms during the season.
I've never walked off the plane in the South in the summer and said, wow it actually feels less humid here than home. And average dew points show that it's definitely still much less humid in PHX in July-Sept for Phoenix are in the 50's, you may get some days in the 70's but that's never consistent. Atlanta averages almost 70 in the summer.
Phoenix is on a different wave length. The real competition here is between Atlanta and Dallas. Because they have more in common. Phoenix is in the West which is a totally different world.
In real life most people consider more than just what region to live in.
You think LA doesnt compete with NYC or San Francisco vs Boston?
Show me where I ever said you never left the South. That's ridiculous. It didn't happen and you're quite mistaken, and arrogant about it to boot. I'm trying to have an adult conversation with you, but you seem to be stomping your feet and hurling insults if anyone calls you out.
What you said about Phoenix was:
"Phoenix really is not a urban city. Id say its the least urban largest major city in North America...There is a ton of stuff to do in between big cities on the East Coast.Not like in the West where its desolate for miles on end.I lived in ABQ years ago and had to drivr back and forth on accaasion to Phoenix for work.
Not just Phoenix but to Oklahoma City,Tuscon,White Sands,Las Cruces,El Paso etc. Ive driven all around to know what Im talking about"
Furthermore, I never said Atlanta was just hip hop, but is it not a current hub of hip-hop culture? Just like Nashville is a current hub of country? Of course there are other things happening in these cities, but to deny their status in said genres is ridiculous.
What I said was:
I think you're trying to shortchange Phoenix when it comes to nightlife. It may not be hip-hop focused like Atlanta, but it was different. Did you know that world renowned American-German DJ Markus Schulz was a resident DJ for many years at a club in Scottsdale beginning in the early 90's? Did you also know that Hot Mix Productions (Dave Rajput/Andrew Starr) - you know, the dance mix shows that started in the 80's and were broadcast across 175 radio stations around the world were produced here in "sleepy" Phoenix and aired on radio stations here long before Atlanta even had a hip-hop culture? Did you know that in the early 90's, trance DJ Swedish Egil (from MARS FM - later Groove Radio 103.1 in LA) had his first radio broadcast of Groove Radio International from a small radio station in Wickenburg? And that Chris Shebel, former program director at Energy 92.7 Chicago consulted on dance station Energy 92.7/101.1 in Phoenix, a station that outlived most terrestrial dance stations during the 2000's included original Energy 92.7 in Chicago? These things wouldn't have occurred if there wasn't a demand for it locally.
In response to that other post you made and commented on: What does radio broadcast have to do with nightlife? And one club doesnt make a place have good nightlife.
I cited a few examples over the years how nightlife has shaped radio and vice versa in the Valley (Yes, I cited one particular club where Markus Schulz was a resident DJ for several years, but do you really believe there was only one club in Phoenix or Scottsdale?) I'll give you another example. Take Houston, for instance. In the late 80's and early 90's, three radio stations in Houston (93Q, Energy 96.5, Power 104) all leaned towards dance and began weekend mixshows and broadcast live from various nightclubs around Houston that played a mix of industrial, EBM, new wave, gothic rock, synthpop and Hi-NRG dance because that was indicative of what was popular in the clubs, specifically Club 6400 and its many clones. This went on for a few years.
Terrestrial radio nowadays pretty much sucks IMO and has for the last several years. In the past, many radio stations would be more open to taking chances and cater to their local listeners and communities. Now, automation seems to rule the land. Like Houston, Phoenix radio was also influenced by what was popular in the clubs and nightlife scene in Phoenix and Scottsdale and the scene was pretty buzzing. When the art of beat-mixing finally debuted as a nationally syndicated radio program called "Hot Mix" in 1986, it had already launched on KOPA FM in Phoenix a year prior (1985), and actually transitioned to KZZP in Phoenix prior to going national. Since then, many other stations in Phoenix have embraced dance music whether they leaned rhythmic/dance, were dance-friendly, aired mixshows, or simulcast from nightclubs in part due to the popularity of dance music locally in the clubs. There has also been a steady presence of hip-hop on the airwaves. I can remember a time when one could easily find 4 or more mixshows simultaneously on the airwaves in Phoenix. It's not easy digging up old airchecks since some stations I could not find, but this is what I could find:
I like how you called me arrogant after you are the one who felt I owed you a prolonged answer when the initial response wasnt even to you.As if what I said wasnt good enough for you.
You questioned me but not the poster who obviously had even less knowledge about Atlanta than I had of Phoenix by his words in his post.
If thats your idea of adlult behavior then Ill stay at the kiddie table
Hip Hop has more than one center of gravity unlike Country music in Nashville which is the indespited capitol
The fact that it was about nightlife and had NOTHING to do with whats on the radio was u over reaching and attempting to play it off after I called you out on it.Trying to change the goal post isnt working. All that you posted about the radio in PHX has nothing to do with how it is in the ATL when it comes to nightlife.
You will hear hip hop being played in every club just like you will hear pop music in that same club with the acception of the EDM,House,Country music establishments.
If you dont know that tehn you are not qualified to speak as it was an incorrect assumption that hip hop rules the night life.
You can call me all the names you want but it wont change the fact that you spoke out of your oppiste end.
Adult enough for you?
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Phoenix should not be included
