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So city limits sizes are vastly different, but metro sizes aren't? Hmmmm...that doesn't make any sense. They can both be vastly different. But...why don't you post the density figures for each metro?
So city limits sizes are vastly different, but metro sizes aren't? Hmmmm...that doesn't make any sense. They can both be vastly different. But...why don't you post the density figures for each metro?
I will post the density when I have more time. Considering the city of Atlanta is ~550,000 out 5.3 million, it really does not offer a valid comparison to cities of 2.2 million and 1.2 million. The metros of ATL, HOU, and DFW are 5.3, 5.7, and 6.5 million respectively and offers a much better comparison. It's not that metro sizes aren't vastly different, its that it takes account the whole picture.
I will post the density when I have more time. Considering the city of Atlanta is ~550,000 out 5.3 million, it really does not offer a valid comparison to cities of 2.2 million and 1.2 million. The metros of ATL, HOU, and DFW are 5.3, 5.7, and 6.5 million respectively and offers a much better comparison. It's not that metro sizes aren't vastly different, its that it takes account the whole picture.
It DOES offer a decent comparison since the areas of Dallas and Houston are 2-3-4 times the area of Atlanta. Remember? Both city and metro density are valid, comparable statistics.
It DOES offer a decent comparison since the areas of Dallas and Houston are 2-3-4 times the area of Atlanta. Remember? Both city and metro density are valid, comparable statistics.
Are you talking about land area per Metro Area? If so thats not right.
Land area in square miles (water not included):
Metro Houston: 8,929
DFW Metroplex: 8,991
Atlana: 8,376
As for the cities:
Atlanta: 131.8
Dallas: 384.7
Houston: 601.7
However I think we can pretty well discount the city proper square milage since they make up only a small amount of the area.
I think another point that should be brought up is that (at least for DFW) the overwhelming majority of the people live in less than 50% of the land area. About 5.4 million people live in Denton, Collin, Dallas, and Tarrant counties. The land area of those counties is about 3,300 square miles. That means only about 1 million more residents live in the remaining 5,500 square miles. I think a simlar comparrison can be made for Houston. Not sure about Atlanta.
Are you talking about land area per Metro Area? If so thats not right.
Land area in square miles (water not included):
Metro Houston: 8,929
DFW Metroplex: 8,991
Atlana: 8,376
As for the cities:
Atlanta: 131.8 Dallas: 384.7 Houston: 601.7
However I think we can pretty well discount the city proper square milage since they make up only a small amount of the area.
I think another point that should be brought up is that (at least for DFW) the overwhelming majority of the people live in less than 50% of the land area. About 5.4 million people live in Denton, Collin, Dallas, and Tarrant counties. The land area of those counties is about 3,300 square miles. That means only about 1 million more residents live in the remaining 5,500 square miles. I think a simlar comparrison can be made for Houston. Not sure about Atlanta.
I was talking about the density of each city within the city limits. That is a valid statistic, no matter how you look at it. It doesn't make any city better or worse, but is still a way to get a feel for the overall density of a city. I'm not bashing Dallas, Houston, or Texas...so no one else needs to feel like they should come to the rescue here!
I was talking about the density of each city within the city limits. That is a valid statistic, no matter how you look at it. It doesn't make any city better or worse, but is still a way to get a feel for the overall density of a city. I'm not bashing Dallas, Houston, or Texas...so no one else needs to feel like they should come to the rescue here!
No, no, I never thought for a moment you were bashing anywhere. Ive read enough of your posts to know that youre pretty level headed.
Im just making the arguement we should look at the whole area instead of the city proper.
Atlanta is indeed an interesting dynamic different from most places. Its urban core is dense, but its suburbs are so increadably spread out that overall it still has less density as an area than DFW or Houston.
No, no, I never thought for a moment you were bashing anywhere. Ive read enough of your posts to know that youre pretty level headed.
Im just making the arguement we should look at the whole area instead of the city proper.
Atlanta is indeed an interesting dynamic different from most places. Its urban core is dense, but its suburbs are so increadably spread out that overall it still has less density as an area than DFW or Houston.
Thank you.
I'm still not sure about the density of metro Atlanta compared to DFW and Houston because the stats haven't been posted (or at least not that I've seen). I'm watching football right now or I would look it up.
I was talking about the density of each city within the city limits. That is a valid statistic, no matter how you look at it. It doesn't make any city better or worse, but is still a way to get a feel for the overall density of a city. I'm not bashing Dallas, Houston, or Texas...so no one else needs to feel like they should come to the rescue here!
Well Inner Loop Houston only 98 sq. miles has a population density of about 6-7k per sq. mile. (I'm sure someone will come in and correct me). If Houston was about the size as Atlanta; our density would be about 5-6K per sq. mile.
Are you talking about land area per Metro Area? If so thats not right.
Land area in square miles (water not included):
Metro Houston: 8,929
DFW Metroplex: 8,991
Atlana: 8,376
As for the cities:
Atlanta: 131.8
Dallas: 384.7
Houston: 601.7
However I think we can pretty well discount the city proper square milage since they make up only a small amount of the area.
I think another point that should be brought up is that (at least for DFW) the overwhelming majority of the people live in less than 50% of the land area. About 5.4 million people live in Denton, Collin, Dallas, and Tarrant counties. The land area of those counties is about 3,300 square miles. That means only about 1 million more residents live in the remaining 5,500 square miles. I think a simlar comparrison can be made for Houston. Not sure about Atlanta.
I know Atlanta's 5 main counties (Fulton, Dekalb, Gwinnett, Cobbs, and Clayton) equal out to about almost 4 million with a land area under 2000 sq. miles.
I know Atlanta's 5 main counties (Fulton, Dekalb, Gwinnett, Cobbs, and Clayton) equal out to about almost 4 million with a land area under 2000 sq. miles.
Let see if I can expand this for us:
DFW Metroplex:
Main Urban core: Dallas and Tarrrant Counties
Square milage of the 2 counties: 1,743 Square miles of land
Total population of 2 counties: 4,083,946 - 2007 estimate
Metro Houston:
Main Urban core: Harris County
Square milage of Harris County: 1,729 square miles of land
Total Population of Harris county: 3,984,349 - 2008 estimate
Metro Atlanta:
Main Urban core: Fulton, Gwinnett, Dekalb, Clayton, and Cobb counties
Square milage of the 5 counties: 1,620 square miles of land
Total population of the 5 counties: 3,529,842 - 2008 estimate
I think given this data, the difference between the them is splitting hairs.
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