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To say the south as a whole is booming is BEYOND ridiculous. Aside from a select hand full of cities and only cause of the northern transplants the majority of the south is very stagnant and that's a fact.
No question that Atlanta has outpaced St. Louis and a number of cities that used to be much more prominent than Atlanta prior to 1980-1990. Nevertheless, Atlanta remains the poster child of unchecked sprawl and is definitely not the kind of city that appeals to many people, including myself. I know the same could be said for any place. At the end of the day, the Midwest has less of a negative stigma nationwide than the Deep South.
The total of dense, walkable development has increased from 15% of Atlanta real estate developed from 1991 to 2000, to about a quarter from 2001 to 2008 and now the 60% majority. While about 70% of these places are in Atlanta, there was still a large number in the suburbs.
Listed here are most of the major cities.ALL the cities in the Midwest have a Black-White dissimilarity index of more than 63% and as high of a score as 80% for there metros.
Orlando 50.7%
Minneapolis 52.9%
Charlotte 53.8%
Tampa 56.2%
Dallas 56.6%
Atlanta 59.0%
Kansas City 61.2%
Houston 61.4%
Columbus 62.2%
Memphis 62.6%
New Orleans 63.9%
Miami 64.8%
Indianapolis 66.4%
Cincinnati 69.4%
St Louis 72.3%
Cleveland 74.1%
Detroit 75.3%
Chicago 76.4%
Milwaukee 81.5%
Generally the south does better but not as monolithically as you imply.
Well duh, I have no problem with the obvious and St. Louis can't compare with Atlanta with most things. If you don't count Texas, Atlanta is THE city in the South so you think it is a win to beat out the 11th biggest city in the Midwest?
Since we are comparing regions, I'll refer you to our friendly neighbor to the Northeast. I wouldn't even try to compare the Atl with Chicago if I were you.
Why would you not count TX?It is in the South.What about Miami?Tampa?Charlotte?In the Midwest you only really have Chicago?Charlotte is bigger than Milwaukee.Oh thats right.You do have Detroit!
Another emotional child on c-d that can't handle other peoples opinions therefore resorts to petty, immature one liner insults, good job. Keep reinforcing those ignorant southern stereotypes.
Talk about IRONY.Then you have the audacity to mention stereotypes as if that qualifies as some sort of bellwether as to what you and some other might think they know about the South.
Truth is its that self importance attitude that many Southerns don't really care what people think.Its a completely mostly Northern mentality.
You are basically telling someone they better act a certain way so that IGNORANT people who cannot think for themselves rather develop a territorial attitude of superiority.over another group.
Southerners whether black or white are very comfortable who they are.Good and bad.Its just crazy that you felt a need to say that as if she really cared about your or anybody elses opinion. Nice for you to feel so righteous I suppose.
Orlando 50.7%
Minneapolis 52.9%
Charlotte 53.8%
Tampa 56.2%
Dallas 56.6%
Atlanta 59.0%
Kansas City 61.2%
Houston 61.4%
Columbus 62.2%
Memphis 62.6%
New Orleans 63.9%
Miami 64.8%
Indianapolis 66.4%
Cincinnati 69.4%
St Louis 72.3%
Cleveland 74.1%
Detroit 75.3%
Chicago 76.4%
Milwaukee 81.5%
Generally the south does better but not as monolithically as you imply.
Come on now.Minneapolis?Really?Did it ever occur to you why Minneapolis is so much lower than the other cities?Gee I dont know.Maybe because it has by FAR the smallest black and Hispanic population?
Minneapolis is like 85%white.If you look at the chart here you can see that whites live more among other whites by far in Minneapolis than Atlanta.
Blacks in Atlanta also have more of a chance to live among other blacks than in a city like Minneapolis where the black population is much smaller.
However more whites live in closer proximity to blacks than they do in Minneapolis.
In other words is if there are 10 whites and 2 blacks move into the neighborhood with whites then its not more intergrtaed because there are less number of blacks.A greater number will have groups that live in both areas in great numbers.Thats exactly what this chart is saying.
The highest in the South in your list is Miami(more segregated).Milwaukee is 81%.That to me is a huge difference.
Clearly cities like N.O. and Memphis are more so but they are more in line with the average for the Midwest cities.Overall it is very significant.
Many but not all, like was stated a few pages back - Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Kansas City and Columbus, all four of which have rapidly growing non-white populations.
I'm not going to say that the south is awful, because I like parts of it, but northerners are not the only ones who paint entire regions with a broad brush.
And all those cities you mentioned are not among the top integrated cities in America like Charlotte,Atlanta,Nashville,Dallas,Houston etc..
Why would you not count TX?It is in the South.What about Miami?Tampa?Charlotte?In the Midwest you only really have Chicago?Charlotte is bigger than Milwaukee.Oh thats right.You do have Detroit!
At 298 square miles, Charlotte is bigger than Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Detroit.
The Midwest has more than Chicago, much more. That you prefer the South doesn't negate the Midwest.
Why would you not count TX?It is in the South.What about Miami?Tampa?Charlotte?In the Midwest you only really have Chicago?Charlotte is bigger than Milwaukee.Oh thats right.You do have Detroit!
Texans don't usually regard themselves as Southerners, they're Texans. In most topics on CD, it is generally accepted that Texas is basically a region by itself and that is the way they like it.
Anytime something with the South comes up southerners always try to claim Texas, DC and Baltimore because they know they don't have much without them. You don't see the Midwesterner's trying to claim ND, SD, CO, MT and WY as the Midwest, do you?
Without Texas, the south has no cities that are top ten for population, the Midwest at least has one. If you look at 10-20 for population, the south has 3 and so does the Midwest. So what exactly are you talking about?
When someone says the South, it is generally understood that the Southeast is what's being talked about. I'm closer to Texas than you for pete's sake.
And all those cities you mentioned are not among the top integrated cities in America like Charlotte,Atlanta,Nashville,Dallas,Houston etc..
What is considered the South? Looks as if the South in this thread consist of nearly 20 states compared to 7 midwest states.
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