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Why would you not count TX?It is in the South.What about Miami?Tampa?Charlotte?In the Midwest you only really have Chicago?Charlotte is bigger than Milwaukee.Oh thats right.You do have Detroit!
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I never said it did.Its the South that people on here have tried to negate.Not the Midwest.
Not negating the Midwest huh? Charlotte is bigger than Milwaukee? What about all the other cities bigger than Charlotte, and even then, so what exactly?
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Yeh I have.I have not heard anybody say things about the Midwest being racist,being backwards and and other insults about how much they hate the South.At least I have never said I hate the Midwest.I don't.Its ignorant to paint a whole region as if it has no redeeming qualities.
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So what did i say that was not true?Please do tell.
While in part it's an opinion, I have a big problem with this ridiculously ignorant crap you posted and I've called you out on it and you keep ignoring it and playing the innocent victim to all the other BS flying around in this thread.. Yeah, it's up there with the South is all inbred rednecks crap, the Midwest is just Chicago??? Pathetically narrow minded and stupid. This pathetic provincialism is so sad in the US, are people this ignorant about their own country???
Amusingly enough the poster who seemed to get you all fired up and you called out as biased is actually the poster who riled up all the Midwesterners in this thread with his posts (starting on page 17) calling them liars and homers. Seems this troll was very successful....
West Virginia IS considered a Southern state, as is Texas. If you don't want to live in a Southern state, move.
I have lived in Southern states and did move.
WV is the same as Texas IMO, that's why I mentioned it. Considered Southern but, not really. Kind of like Maryland or Kentucky, they don't really belong to a region or maybe belong with more then one.
Who says you don't?This is the most current data.Why would I use data from the 1940's versus now?That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
The vast majprity of blacks are moving South and some to the West.As a region over the past few dcades,the North and Midwest has not gained as much in black populations as most Southern cities.
Their is plenty of documented evidence that shows the migratory patterns of blacks to the South.
It was an opinion.It was not a fact what he said.You assuming that the growth in thses cities is because of large swath of dilapidated house lets me know you are just guessing.
Most of all those cities you mentioned have had significant gentrification in some its worse areas.San Francisco especially.As early as the 1980's and 1990's there were several areas in SF that are now good.
I lived in Denver in the 1990's and I can tell you that certain areas like Colfax were not great area at all.
The other cities I'm not as familiar with but I'm sure just as they never had great population booms like some Southern cities have had then it would make since that they would not have major development of thier inner cities either.America is very much a suburban country.
Seattle Minneapolis and the rest you mentioned still have a much higher percentage of people living in the suburbs than the city.
Does not make either one better than the other but facts are facts:The South is a more desirable area than the Midwest.This is based on simple statistics of where people are moving to.
People move for weather and jobs.
The city of Atlanta had one of the highest population increase of a major city.Did you see the chart with Atlanta and Charlotte being one of the leaders?
Atlanta's is infilling is a result of people moving to the city versus the suburbs.Hence higher demand for housing and rising cost.
Housing is so tight in the city of Atlanta right now.As soon as something on the market is listed,its gone fast.Friends of mine from Portland tried all this summer to find a nice house to rent in the $3500 range but either the owner wound up selling it or someone else would rent it.
Home prices are up 19% since last year in Atlanta.This hardly from "dilapidated houses".
The BeltLine is helping to drive up prices/People are not moving in the "slum" areas of Atlanta so its irrelevant.They are moving to hot areas like Midtown West.
In most cases its simply infill development.Not slum areas.Regardless,it does not matter because it is what it is.
Atlanta is not Detroit.The desire to live in the city of Atlanta and all its increase in population growth is much higher
The South being more desirable because of migration patterns is like saying McDonalds has the best food because they lead restaurant sales. Do you think that's true? It's called correlation and causation.
You tell me (since you're the ATL expert): how hard was Atlanta hit by the foreclosure crisis from 2008 to 2012? Was it worse than the national avg., better, or about the same? How about Phoenix? Miami? Detroit? Now look at SF, Minneapolis, Seattle, Denver, etc. Do you see a pattern? I sure do!
If I wanted to rent a home in Atlanta I could do it for less than $1,000 if I wanted to, let alone $3,500. The median housing values of Atlanta are part of its draw, so you can't have it both ways (cheap housing draws people in yet the population influx drives housing prices through the roof). If the median home value in Atlanta were say $175K, I could rent there pretty easily for $1,500 a month for a home that sold near that range. Why somebody who's willing to pay $3,500 a month can't find anywhere has less to do with supply or prices and more to do with their strange set of circumstances. Not that anecdotal evidence was ever the best way to prove a point...
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The South being desirable because of migration patterns is like saying McDonalds has the best food because they lead restaurant sales. Do you think that's true? It's called correlation and causation.
You tell me (since you're the ATL expert and expert of nothing else): how hard was Atlanta hit by the foreclosure crisis from 2008 to 2012? Was it worse than the national avg., better, or about the same? Now look at SF, Minneapolis, Seattle, Denver, etc. Do you see a pattern? I sure do!
If I wanted to rent a home in Atlanta I could do it for less than $1,000 if I wanted to, let alone $3,500. The median housing values of Atlanta are part of its draw, so you can't have it both ways (cheap housing draws people in yet the population influx drives housing prices through the roof). If the median home value in Atlanta were say $175K, I could rent there pretty easily for $1,500 a month for a home that sold near that range. Why somebody who's willing to pay $3,500 a month can't find anywhere has less to do with supply or prices and more to do with their strange set of circumstances. Not that anecdotal evidence was ever the best way to prove a point...
The crux of a lot of peoples arguments here seem to rely on things like this ranging from retirees to Fortune 500 companies... They don't seem to have any idea what the random facts they are pulling from Google actually mean... Especially ironic in a poll asking for where "You" prefer to live; therefore directly negating random other people's thoughts on the matter...
Texas and Southern Missouri have similar accents, foods, architecture and Civil War history. So can we count Texas with the Midwest? I mean Missouri is the most Southern state in the Midwest, maybe we're down south?
Same could be said about Kansas and Oklahoma for the most part. West Virginia seems VERY southern as far as accents, cuisine and culture but, it isn't a Southern state.
You can include Texas all you want but, I will not.
Then you are just being stubbornly inaccurate.
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Due to its size and geologic features such as the Balcones Fault, Texas contains diverse landscapes that resemble both the American South and Southwest.
What state do you knowis in the North but was a part of the Confederacy?
Oklahoma and West Virginia ARE Southern.What are you talking about?
Have you even been to theses places?
While in part it's an opinion, I have a big problem with this ridiculously ignorant crap you posted and I've called you out on it and you keep ignoring it and playing the innocent victim to all the other BS flying around in this thread.. Yeah, it's up there with the South is all inbred rednecks crap, the Midwest is just Chicago??? Pathetically narrow minded and stupid. This pathetic provincialism is so sad in the US, are people this ignorant about their own country???
Amusingly enough the poster who seemed to get you all fired up and you called out as biased is actually the poster who riled up all the Midwesterners in this thread with his posts (starting on page 17) calling them liars and homers. Seems this troll was very successful....
Dude you have STILL not backed up your claims!When did you vall me out on something that I said was not true or an insult?You seriously have a problem of selective reasoning.
Can you not understand that I responded to the poster who was saying Atlanta.How do you argue something by taking out of context to why it was said in the first place?
Talk about pathetic.I have lived all over this country.Have you?Oh I forgot.You are in Paris.
Brings me to my other point.Provincialism is VERY strong in EVERY country.In France,every one outside of Paris hates Paris. Parisians look down on people in Languedoc-Roussillonis or people in Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur (Marseille in particular).
Im not riled up about anything.You on the other hand have attacked people left and right for offering their opinions or preference.I have lived all over this country including Chicago,Wisconsin,and Missouri.Yes I have a preference but I actually DO like the Midwest.I just hate the cold winters.The rest I can and have lived with.
What I am talking about are what I see and what I have seen first hand.I even have family throughout the Midwest.If I can see how some of them have moved South or West and some who want to move from the Midwest in the future then I can obviously see a pattern that IS backed up by factual data.
So sorry(not really) you dont like it but deal with it.
The South is by FAR the most maligned region in the U.S.Its CONSTANTLY the butt of jokes nationwide,Yet by people who actually visit,they want to relocated from all thise areas.
The South being more desirable because of migration patterns is like saying McDonalds has the best food because they lead restaurant sales. Do you think that's true? It's called correlation and causation.
You tell me (since you're the ATL expert): how hard was Atlanta hit by the foreclosure crisis from 2008 to 2012? Was it worse than the national avg., better, or about the same? How about Phoenix? Miami? Detroit? Now look at SF, Minneapolis, Seattle, Denver, etc. Do you see a pattern? I sure do!
If I wanted to rent a home in Atlanta I could do it for less than $1,000 if I wanted to, let alone $3,500. The median housing values of Atlanta are part of its draw, so you can't have it both ways (cheap housing draws people in yet the population influx drives housing prices through the roof). If the median home value in Atlanta were say $175K, I could rent there pretty easily for $1,500 a month for a home that sold near that range. Why somebody who's willing to pay $3,500 a month can't find anywhere has less to do with supply or prices and more to do with their strange set of circumstances. Not that anecdotal evidence was ever the best way to prove a point...
The city Of Atlanta has been gaining population since 2000.Why then is 2008-2011 matter?
It would matter if the market in the city was not hot before.It WAS and is!
Where I bought my investment properties it can barely be called transitional.
Yet I bought my house brand new from one of several builders that were investing in the area.This was in 2005.I paid full price of market value at that time.While my value has not gone up to what it was at its peak,it is almost back where it was when I bought it in 2005.
What you are failing to realize is that even though the growth slowed during the housing crisis,Atlanta as it was before was STILL growing!
Im referring to the city of Atlanta.If you find a 3bed room plus house in the city for $1500 a month in the city of Atlanta,then you will be in the hood with bad schools or something old and decrepit in a nice neighborhood.
According to Trulia the median house cost $250,000.
Rents in the city are SYROCKETING!Its so hard to find anything llke a 2br for anything less than $1000 in a decent area unless its old with not many ameninites.
You also are incorrectly assuming that all of the growth is housing purchases. Apartment construction in Atlanta is booming.Its all higher end or upper middle rental units.
Other Top 10 cities experiencing a boom in apartment construction include three in Florida – West Palm Beach, Jacksonville and Fort Lauderdale; three in North Carolina – Durham, which topped the list, Charlotte and Raleigh; and Austin and Forth Worth, Texas. - See more at: Apartment Boom Reported in Atlanta | Atlanta Citybizlist
As far as my friends,they wanted to be in the city but in a area that had good schools for their kid.All those areas were much higher than $1500 and after I told them they should easily be able to get something for $2000-$2500 that would fit their needs they also looked in that range also.It was impossible even when they upped their limit back.They moved because school had started in Portland before they could find anything.Hotels were getting expensive.
[quote=afonega1;31824990]Dude you have STILL not backed up your claims!When did you vall me out on something that I said was not true or an insult?You seriously have a problem of selective reasoning.
Can you not understand that I responded to the poster who was referring to Atlanta in the same manner I said about Chicago.
I was making a point that was meant to dispel his reasoning using his exact same of reasoning but with Atlanta.How do you argue something by taking out of context to why it was said in the first place?
Talk about pathetic.I have lived all over this country.Have you?Oh I forgot.You are in Paris.
Brings me to my other point.Provincialism is VERY strong in EVERY country.In France,every one outside of Paris hates Paris. Parisians look down on people in Languedoc-Roussillonis or people in Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur (Marseille in particular).
Im not riled up about anything.You on the other hand have attacked people left and right for offering their opinions or preference.I have lived all over this country including Chicago,Wisconsin,and Missouri.Yes I have a preference but I actually DO like the Midwest.I just hate the cold winters.The rest I can and have lived with.
What I am talking about are what I see and what I have seen first hand.I even have family throughout the Midwest.If I can see how some of them have moved South or West and some who want to move from the Midwest in the future then I can obviously see a pattern that IS backed up by factual data.
So sorry(not really) you dont like it but deal with it.
The South is by FAR the most maligned region in the U.S.Its CONSTANTLY the butt of jokes nationwide,Yet by people who actually visit,they want to relocated from all thise areas.
You both are wrong. People move to both areas for opportunity. St. Louis, Cleveland, Minny, Omaha, and Chicago are making good improvements, as well as the big 4 in the south, New Orleans, most of NC, Nashville, etc. Our summers and our winters vary drastically, it snows in the south in many states and the summersarejustashotastherestofthecountry. You can't sit there and act like the brutal cold in Minny and Chicago aren't just as oppressiveasoursummers. Southern hospitality is a facade, so is midwestern hospitality. Cities are cities and people will be people either way it goes, despite the region they live in.
You both arewrong and actinglikechildren. Growup.
Between your previous one liner insults and your inability to handle other peoples honest, subjective opinions that you don't agree with you're truly the one acting like a child here. Am I "dissing" the south? No I'm giving my honest opinion on it. Sorry southern summers are definitely NOT like the rest of the country, even when they're mild they're brutally humid. Every region and city gets constructive criticism on here, grow up and deal with it.
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