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I don't think there is really a clear #4. It gets a little hazy since no city is #4 in city,ua,msa,csa population.
At number 4, it pretty much becomes a debate over how much of each cities sprawl and adjoining cities to count.
Political boundaries of cities are pretty much arbitrary and artificial. Who cares about a line in the forest someone drew 200 years ago? What matters is the urban and metropolitan regions surrounding, associated with, and connected to a city today. That's what adds to its weight and importance.
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It's only #4 if you include Baltimore and the entire Baltimore metro area which still feels separate despite some cross-commuting.
I put Dallas, its metro area as a whole is bigger than that of Houston. For some reason Texan cities are often overlooked and NY, LA and Chicago get all the attention. San Francisco and Miami get more attention than Houston and Dallas, I guess because of the tourism.
You don't have to include Baltimore itself, there are suburban counties (Anne Arundel, and Howard) that practically are same distance from both cities that are taken away from DC's MSA stats therefore bringing the number down. Just those two counties alone which are roughly 20-25 miles from DC would add another 900,000 to the pop and DC's MSA would still be around 4th or 5th. Which is exactly why they combined it, regardless of them "feeling" seperate it's a reason why its combined to form one CSA because they are that close together. Yes there may be more that commute from AA and Howard to Baltimore, but there are thousands among thousands who commute to DC from there as well. There is more than SOME cross-commuting. Especially when you talk about MD suburban commuting from "DC suburbs" to "Baltimore suburbs" let alone to the central cities.
You don't have to include Baltimore itself, there are suburban counties (Anne Arundel, and Howard) that practically are same distance from both cities that are taken away from DC's MSA stats therefore bringing the number down. Just those two counties alone which are roughly 20-25 miles from DC would add another 900,000 to the pop and DC's MSA would still be around 4th or 5th. Which is exactly why they combined it, regardless of them "feeling" seperate it's a reason why its combined to form one CSA because they are that close together. There is more than SOME cross-commuting. Especially when you talk about MD suburban commuting from "DC suburbs" to "Baltimore suburbs" let alone to the central cities.
I understand Mercer County is not considered in the Philly MSA and less 11 miles from the city
Economic geography and Stats101: where are most HQs of valuable (>$50Bn stock mkt value) cos. and most centimillionaires (not just lots of ~$100K/yr middle-mgrs or gvt workers creating high median incomes like in Wash or SF or Bos)?
Real competition is between PaloAlto area and MidtownManhattan for top two regions in world
Next two would be Houston (Galleria and EC) vs Dallas (Uptown and Irving)
A commie town like SF is merely a yuppie suburb of SiliconValley; need to examine where are the offices/homes of highest-earning guys in region, not where millions of economic underachievers (who often work in tourism/retailing/govt or are on welfare) choose to live
On many metrics, LA and Chic regions are economic lightweights vs Hou and Dall, despite allegedly more people
And I'm unaware of many valuable cos. HQ'd (or created) in these highly populated "alpha" cities of RoW
Economic geography and Stats101: where are most HQs of valuable (>$50Bn stock mkt value) cos. and most centimillionaires (not just lots of ~$100K/yr middle-mgrs or gvt workers creating high median incomes like in Wash or SF or Bos)?
Real competition is between PaloAlto area and MidtownManhattan for top two regions in world
Next two would be Houston (Galleria and EC) vs Dallas (Uptown and Irving)
A commie town like SF is merely a yuppie suburb of SiliconValley; need to examine where are the offices/homes of highest-earning guys in region, not where millions of economic underachievers (who often work in tourism/retailing/govt or are on welfare) choose to live
On many metrics, LA and Chic regions are economic lightweights vs Hou and Dall, despite allegedly more people
And I'm unaware of many valuable cos. HQ'd (or created) in these highly populated "alpha" cities of RoW
Let us know when you've stopped bowing and scraping before your hedge fund gods..
Economic geography and Stats101: where are most HQs of valuable (>$50Bn stock mkt value) cos. and most centimillionaires (not just lots of ~$100K/yr middle-mgrs or gvt workers creating high median incomes like in Wash or SF or Bos)?
Real competition is between PaloAlto area and MidtownManhattan for top two regions in world
Next two would be Houston (Galleria and EC) vs Dallas (Uptown and Irving)
A commie town like SF is merely a yuppie suburb of SiliconValley; need to examine where are the offices/homes of highest-earning guys in region, not where millions of economic underachievers (who often work in tourism/retailing/govt or are on welfare) choose to live
On many metrics, LA and Chic regions are economic lightweights vs Hou and Dall, despite allegedly more people
And I'm unaware of many valuable cos. HQ'd (or created) in these highly populated "alpha" cities of RoW
Oh FFS.
It's 2010. I didn't realize people still used terms like "commie town" with any degree of sincerity. Tell me, what's new in the tea party movement these days?
Political boundaries of cities are pretty much arbitrary and artificial. Who cares about a line in the forest someone drew 200 years ago? What matters is the urban and metropolitan regions surrounding, associated with, and connected to a city today. That's what adds to its weight and importance.
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