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Atl to Rosswell is about the distance from CC to Trenton ( and go back to the density maps in the other thread it is all red density in the space - the point) . Philly is a bigger city than Atl and has it's own communter draw; NY is huge and draws from a large area. People live and work accross these boundaries. The census designation for commuters is to define the regional influence. that works when there is only one city and a spread to draw from. the way commuter work in an area where it is all developed is different and thus it creates an arbitrary designation.
and further - draw a radius, at 25, 50 or 100 miles around the cities - see how different they are in population - it isnt even close
edited to say i cant type or spell apparently - too many to fix there i am late for a meeting
The philly metro is about the size of Metro Atlanta 5-core county I don't know what cc is "Philly city center maybe" but Atlanta to Roswell is in same county. Roswell is the blue and Atlanta is lower yellow let me Let remind you the city of Philly is larger than Atlanta. You said the distance from Philly to Trenton is same distance from Atlanta to Roswell well that false, The KOP is further out from Philly than Atlanta is to Roswell. http://activerain.com/image_store/up...0158449753.jpg
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Allright enough; would you agree there are far more people here? I mean you are talking about Macon and Athens (fine places). I am talking about Jersey - there are hand fuls of Macons all in a row - The commuter patterns make sense when there is huge distance between cities, hence they draw because there is no where else. in between the cities here there are huge employment centers, Princeton/Hightstown for example - a large number of people commute there from Bucks county - which may put that in the NY MSA - btw Bucks county borders phildelphia and IS the the SAME distance (7 miles) from downtown ATL to Buckhead as CC Philly to Bucks county. My point is just the MSA designation works well for most of the country - here it seems arbitrary people move to jobs and the good part is living here I can work in either and not have to move. the commuter patterns here are different and much more inter-ralted but still have a majpority draw to cores and yes both Philly and NY maitian distinct identities but they are far more inter-related than you would expect. Here if I moved the distance of buckhead to peachtree city I would be in a new MSA; yet never left the area
And on your point aof cohesive regions; yes I completely understand; without question - but there is only one direction to commute in most regions
The Atlanta original 5 counties are Fulton, Gwinnett, DeKalb Cobb, Clayton but suddenly outer counties like Cherokee County jump from 141,903 to 215,084 and Henry County 119,341 to 201,343 in 9 years they didn’t grow for the heck of it they grew because Metro Atlanta is sprawling. Hall county is not part of the MSA but the CSA, it jump from 139,277 to 180,175 in 7 years. Philly is not sprawling, it doesn’t meet the threshold to have suburbs as far out as sunbelt cities. What going on is Philly metro abuts other MSAs but there not enough commuting ties for them to be a Metroplex, one MSA. It's like Atlanta abuts Athens and Rome MSAs but there’s still not enough for Atlanta swallow them as suburbs. You said there many Athens, Macon and etc in rows between Philly and New York exactly. People don’t move the distance in dense areas as they do in sprawling built areas. And the fact your preaching how much denser these areas are more so than Atlanta your doing nothing more than proving my point to why it's a smaller cohesive regions.
You knew that this day would come eventually, with all the power that NYC has, it takes two great American cities to level out on the same playing field as NYC.
NYC is a great city, but lets be frank, putting any one single city up against it is certainly ridiculous. The city has basically made itself a whole new level that no other US city can reach.
But two cities like Chicago and LA put together can give NYC a fair match up.
This thread is a fair comparison. I don't want to hear any of the following:
"... it takes two cities to compare to NYC, that's how great our city is...."
I personally think that Chicago and LA compliment each other, because they both have what the other doesn't.
No personal attacks, lets have a nice and friendly discussion.
Chicago & LA VS. New York City...
Chicago is better than both. Miles upon miles of suburban LA would only bring Chicago down. So, because of that, probably NYC.
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