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Old 03-31-2014, 09:26 AM
 
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Then of course, there ARE those of us who take care of our own, WITHOUT the meddling of the federal government. They can scream mandate all they want but we don't hear them.
You take care of your own? You how to perform surgery? Diagnose and treat diabetes? Administer chemo? Grow up and buy some health insurance so the rest of us don't have to pay for your freeloading ways.

 
Old 03-31-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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You've been drinking the "I MUST have insurance" cool aid again haven't you? It's all fine, if you enjoy paying premiums you may not need.
This is the basic concept underlying all insurance. Each party is taking a gamble.

Do you have any kind of insurance at all? Car? Home? Life? Health? If not, do you have a plan for catastrophe?

The responses on this thread have been very puzzling. I can understand being opposed to the ACA mandate for fear of "big government," but I don't understand the failure to acknowledge that very bad, expensive things to people, or that if you have insurance, you're somehow weak or not willing to take care of yourself.
 
Old 03-31-2014, 11:01 AM
 
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I keep seeing the preventative care bandied about and I wonder what is included in that ? Probably a blood test and a urine sample that will identify high cholesteral, diabetis, things of that type. Will they send you for a chest xray which they say really doesn't catch lung cancer early enough to make a difference but it sounds good ? Dexa scans for womens bone loss ? Will they check for thyroid tumors ? I have only ever had one doctor do that every visit even when I didn't have them and I have them now. A full body check for skin cancers ? It all sounds great but these preventative checks are cursory at best, depending on the doctor.
You get what you pay for.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2102rank.html #42



Life expectancy in U.S. trails top nations - CNN.com
The preventative health benefits are described here. There are separate sections for men, women and children.


https://www.healthcare.gov/what-are-...nefits/#part=1
 
Old 03-31-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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No, that's what the ACA does. If I or my husband become ill and unable to work our church family will do what is necessary to keep us going, just as we do them when they're sick and unable to work.
Will your church family pay for $1 million worth of chemotherapy for you or your children?
 
Old 03-31-2014, 12:27 PM
 
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This! ACA seems like a mess. Other civilized nations have decently run Government Healthcare systems so why didn't the US adopt one of those plans? Instead, they conjure up this intrusive, confusing ACA plan with penalties for non-compliance.

Yes, it benefits some people (i.e.:those with pre-existing conditions), but there are plenty of other people out there that ACA creates a worse situation for.
They tried to do that, it didn't stand a chance of passing. This watered-down "mess" is not what was wanted.
 
Old 03-31-2014, 12:33 PM
 
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I want to add, I have worked in skilled nursing facilities for 18 years, and I see firsthand how much it costs all of us to have a system where there is little preventative care and so many without adequate insurance. In higher income areas where people have greater access to health care, I work with people in their 80's and 90's who come in with strokes, amputations due to diabetes, etc, etc...in the low income areas, the same diagnoses, except the patients are in their 50's and 60's. Many of them end up being long term care even at that young age. So our taxes end up paying hundreds a day for 20 years or more via Medicaid. It is much less expensive to allow people access to health care before they get to that point. Something had to be done, why not just wait and see if this can work to bring down medical costs rather than vilify it without even giving it a chance, especially with no viable alternatives on the table?
 
Old 03-31-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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Will your church family pay for $1 million worth of chemotherapy for you or your children?
Exactly. And if they can, that poster is fortunate to belong to a church with very wealthy people. People who belong to a church in a lower income area wouldn't have a chance of getting their serious illnesses paid for by church members regardless of their intentions.
 
Old 03-31-2014, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Vehicle insurance is required in Michigan too.

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The car insurance comparison...well, it isn't.

No one is required to carry "collision" on his own personal property (car) loss/damage, just liability--liability for the other driver's loss.
 
Old 03-31-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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The car insurance comparison...well, it isn't.

No one is required to carry "collision" on his own personal property (car) loss/damage, just liability--liability for the other driver's loss.
Yep...you don't even have to driver or own a car.
 
Old 03-31-2014, 01:29 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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You take care of your own? You how to perform surgery? Diagnose and treat diabetes? Administer chemo? Grow up and buy some health insurance so the rest of us don't have to pay for your freeloading ways.
NOPE, Say what you like, I don't buy what I don't need. Grow up you say? I'm 53 and a u.s. vet and have never required insurance and I'm not paying it just to be on your "I'm insured" bandwagon.
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