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A conservative says:
"You created or contributed to your own problems in a major way, so fix it yourself instead of having me pay to fix it."
A liberal says:
"It doesn't matter that you did it! It's just unfair, you're a victim and I'll use somebody else's money to fix it so you can keep doing it!"
More like:
Conservative says:
"Rules of the game favors upper classes, join the top or die trying, it is all your fault for serving us for less at the bottom, there must be something wrong with you anyway, we make you a favor by exploiting you (sorry, providing an opportunity)."
Liberal says:
"I will legislate and regulate every aspect of human existence to provide lesser members of society with more stuff, as long as my, liberal, status, power and wealth are not endangered. I am destined to lead lesser life forms to light and happiness. Threatened liberal=conservative".
Liberal or conservatives seek control using somewhat different tools, both factions are social darvinists at their core, both mean slavery when they peddle freedom and democracy.
It's not that simple. I worked in the industry. First you have patent protection for 20 years so you can't "just make the same drug". Second you have to go through clinical trials and multiple phases of FDA approval. So a "competitor" has to find an alternative that works as well as the one being price gouged and jump through all of those hurtles that take anywhere from 5-10 years.
Your comment was stupid and that's what's wrong with this country. People are so in love with the free market- except of course if it was your child or spouse that needed that drug and you could not afford it. Can't afford to stay alive, it sucks but that's life!
None of those "free market" people are even entrepreneurs. And if they are, they're the trust fund kind who really don't know what it means to come up from the bottom.
We don't have a "free market" in a lot of industries. It's time for Americans to start banding together. Drop the political parties.
Allow all of those who hate everything, and only care about themselves to stick together. Allow them to sink together as well.
if all were a free market in the US and there was NO regulations we would have starvation liken to Africa -- if you notice the third world has no regulations.. Even with that- we probably be all dead from the VW fumes...
if all were a free market in the US and there was NO regulations we would have starvation liken to Africa -- if you notice the third world has no regulations.. Even with that- we probably be all dead from the VW fumes...
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A "free market" is referring to competition, not so much "regulations."
If those regulations are hindering the free market that's the only time regulations would come into play.
It's the "competition" that's being hindered. Think about that.
These major corporations and individuals don't want to compete. They just want the deck stacked for them. That's what this comes down to.
Looks like Margaret was not aware that socialism creates its own money just like capitalism, it doesnt take that money from the people. It creates money to entice people into laboring just like capitalism does. The only issue, enticing power of the socialist money is much weaker by default, thus physical and legal coercion, expropriations, labor camps and very limited selection of goods. At the end everything crumbles, see USSR.
Both capitalism and socialism are two sides of the same coin called "industrialism" i.e. exploitation of resources rooted in the hierarchy of the specialized labor and professional science. Humans are not evolved to fit industrialism needs, coercion is a must, capitalist coercion and hierarchy that supervise it are by far more efficient. It takes much lesser amount of external coercion per unit of output. Capitalism transforms external coercion into internal compulsion, it is something that socialism has failed at.
i think you are mistaking socialism with communism which is just one type of socialism.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Geek
I don't care if the guy has any valid points because he is a giant D bag. I hope this one bites him on his rear end sometime soon.
You see it doesn't bother someone like him. In order for it to bother him he would need a conscious. Personally I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror if I did that to someone. There is making money and then there is blood money. There is a major difference. I hope he chokes on his Mortons steak!!!
How can you compare a life saving drug to the price of a automobile, it boggles my mind.
That someone may need what I'm selling doesn't change the fact that many in this discussion are mad because a product isn't available at the price that they would like.
If you are truly upset by the situation, put your money where your mouth is. Buy the medication, and then re-sell at your acceptable price. Or better yet, put together an investment group, buy the company, and then charge what you see as an acceptable price.
You won't do either one of those things, because you are all talk. You want things to be the way you want them, but you won't put up your money to do so.
You may not realize it, but people like you are irrelevant in the market.
This is wrong but sadly not criminal as price gouging laws only works in state of emergencies...
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Originally Posted by coolgato
I heard that hospitals charge a LOT for even a aspirin and somebody said that people with insurance will pay more so that people without insurance will be covered for hospital services. I don't know if that is true though, but what this hedge fund guy is doing is perverse - it's not capitalism. Capitalism is setting a price that the market will bear to pay, but this is beyond capitalism, it's plain...how should I say it? Morally wrong. Whatever profits he reaps will be blood money because people are going to die.
It's funny, I had an emergency gallbladder removal in early February and didn't eat much since I got the attack until I got home. The hospital still gave me stool softners despite me not eating much. I think I went to the bathroom a whole 3 times a day because I wasn't even allowed water, yet I was given stool softners.
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Originally Posted by RememberMee
Fundamentally, it is the same. Hospitals would bancrupt you to get their mark ups. Market cannot bear current medical costs, period. There is no way. Government propelled pyramid scheme and subsidies allow robbing of relatively young and healthy (including unborn) to maintain insane prices and profits. It is just too bad that the pyramid would crumble unable to provide for the today' healthy people future needs.
They do but they don't. Most times they will negotiate better because you have no insurance. Otherwise FOAD. I know, I am going to be paying off my bill for another two and a half years.
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Originally Posted by tinytrump
we need regulation -that's price gouging - as for him -what goes around comes around- preying on the ill- not nice--
Yes we do, to clairfy if this is a state of emergency or we should extend it.
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Originally Posted by Magritte25
How does price gouging help supply issues?
Well in a national disaster say Hurricane Katrina or Superstorm Sandy, it is a deterrent. A higher price may prevent demand until the supply is able to work its way out. Sadly often it is based upon inelastic demand that has demand no matter what. Gasoline ALWAYS has a need based on the fact we use it for heating and transit. Food and water is the same case. In this case medicine is HOWEVER there is no law preventing it.
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Originally Posted by flyonpa
From LA Times
The market for Daraprim may be much smaller. Although as many as 60 million Americans may harbor the toxoplasma parasite, which can be picked up from undercooked meats, unwashed fruits and vegetables or contaminated soil or litter boxes (cat feces is a major vector), the vast majority never will experience symptoms.
The risk population is the extremely elderly, infants who may acquire the bug from their mothers, and immunosuppressed patients such as those with HIV. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated the number of hospitalizations due to the bug at about 4,400 a year and deaths at 327.
This plays into the issue of price gauging during a national crisis.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
I don't like Bernie, but a mix seems...well, let me put it another way. Instead of worrying so much about whether our system is capitalistic OR socialistic, maybe we should make our system PRAGMATIC.
I agree, sadly there are too many idealists to fight this.
In closing, I quote a great post earlier in this thread.
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Originally Posted by ted08721
"Remember when Jonas Salk gave his polio vaccine away because of it's benefit for humanity? No more. When the profit motive is all that matters people die because of the greed displayed by this sociopath and others. Greed is not just a sin, it is a disease. It is a cancer eating away at our Democracy and destroying us from within. Fortunately the medication to eradicate this disease is free. America needs an injection of Bernie Sanders followed by a regular course of progressive candidates to replace politicians suffering from K Streetpuppetitus. This and a regular regimen of programs of social uplift, jobs, living wages, education......and America may be on the way to a cure which will not only be good for us but for the world. Some of the worst effects of or national sickness can be seen globally."
This is a proven generic drug well past its patent. Generic drug manufactures have talented chemists, all they have to do is demonstrate that their drug is an equivalent and FDA approval is a slam dunk.
I agree with you, I only saw this was a generic after I posted the response.
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