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Old 09-15-2019, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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I said this in an earlier thread...……….Take all fines from any of the guilty and put it into a Scholarship fund to be paid out to the appropriate college hopeful who is next in line after the cutoff...…….that would give back to the group who was affected by their crime.
I agree in principle, but doubt there is a legal way to accomplish this.
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Old Yesterday, 04:08 AM
 
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I said this in an earlier thread...……….Take all fines from any of the guilty and put it into a Scholarship fund to be paid out to the appropriate college hopeful who is next in line after the cutoff...…….that would give back to the group who was affected by their crime.
I wonder that about all fines. Why do they always go to the city or the state and not to a victims fund or something like that?
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Old Yesterday, 04:10 AM
 
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Meanwhile, a black mother just received 5 years in prison for using a friend's address to send her son to a better public school.

https://people.com/crime/mom-sentenc...son-in-school/
That is really pathetic, I cannot believe they gave this poor woman five years. This really does highlight the difference between those who have money and those who do not.
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Old Yesterday, 04:59 AM
 
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Supposedly many of the kids whose answers were changed didn't know that their parents arranged this. But how would Huffman's daughter have thought her SAT score jumped 400 points? She did get tutoring, but wasn't improving in math, so that's when her mom agreed to the cheating when it was suggested. I do feel sorry for the daughter---it's got to be embarrassing for the world to know your SAT scores (although I see them as just average, not terrible---and let's face it, on the bell curve of humanity, most of us ARE just average in many ways, even though we may have our unique strengths that can't be measured by a standardized test). But did she really think her scores went up that much?

The other thing about the daughter is that Huffman said: "My daughter looked at me and asked with tears streaming down her face, ‘Why didn’t you believe in me? Why didn’t you think I could do it on my own?’" Why didn't her mom think she could do it on her own? Because she tried to do it on her own and only got 1000 on her SAT, not high enough to get into the school of her choice. That's the reality. Even with tutoring, she would be unable to get it up to 1400! When I was in high school, I (and all my hundreds of classmates) understood and accepted that certain schools would be out of her league. That's why we didn't apply to the most competitive schools and/or had safety schools. Has this kid been raised to feel so entitled and be so confident (arrogant) that she was top school material, when objective criteria proved otherwise? (Whether SATs show what someone is capable of in college is a whole other debate, but as it stands now, most schools do still use it.) She is said to have learning disabilities. We can call it "differently abled" instead of disabled, but they DO have some impact on academic achievement.

Her father has said that he believes in nepotism and will help his daughters get acting roles, so this kid will do okay, even w/o graduating from her desired school: "One can help your children in this business, and the nepotism works, and I have no problems with it," he said of potentially helping his daughters to succeed in the business if they ended up choosing that career path. "If I can give them a leg up, I absolutely would. It's a great way to make a living. It really is."
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Old Yesterday, 10:45 AM
 
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Supposedly many of the kids whose answers were changed didn't know that their parents arranged this. But how would Huffman's daughter have thought her SAT score jumped 400 points? She did get tutoring, but wasn't improving in math, so that's when her mom agreed to the cheating when it was suggested. I do feel sorry for the daughter---it's got to be embarrassing for the world to know your SAT scores (although I see them as just average, not terrible---and let's face it, on the bell curve of humanity, most of us ARE just average in many ways, even though we may have our unique strengths that can't be measured by a standardized test). But did she really think her scores went up that much?

The other thing about the daughter is that Huffman said: "My daughter looked at me and asked with tears streaming down her face, ‘Why didn’t you believe in me? Why didn’t you think I could do it on my own?’" Why didn't her mom think she could do it on her own? Because she tried to do it on her own and only got 1000 on her SAT, not high enough to get into the school of her choice. That's the reality. Even with tutoring, she would be unable to get it up to 1400! When I was in high school, I (and all my hundreds of classmates) understood and accepted that certain schools would be out of her league. That's why we didn't apply to the most competitive schools and/or had safety schools. Has this kid been raised to feel so entitled and be so confident (arrogant) that she was top school material, when objective criteria proved otherwise? (Whether SATs show what someone is capable of in college is a whole other debate, but as it stands now, most schools do still use it.) She is said to have learning disabilities. We can call it "differently abled" instead of disabled, but they DO have some impact on academic achievement.

Her father has said that he believes in nepotism and will help his daughters get acting roles, so this kid will do okay, even w/o graduating from her desired school: "One can help your children in this business, and the nepotism works, and I have no problems with it," he said of potentially helping his daughters to succeed in the business if they ended up choosing that career path. "If I can give them a leg up, I absolutely would. It's a great way to make a living. It really is."
I don’t think the daughter ever knew the original score. You don’t get it instantly it takes weeks you get it in the mail. They corrected her wrong answers before it ever went in for scoring. Then she got her 1400 score in the mail, and she thought that’s what she earned.
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Old Yesterday, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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That is really pathetic, I cannot believe they gave this poor woman five years. This really does highlight the difference between those who have money and those who do not.
I don’t know the full story in the latter case, but I agree in principle. There was no violence, no one was harmed. Probation would probably have been a better outcome.
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Old Yesterday, 01:42 PM
 
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Meanwhile, a black mother just received 5 years in prison for using a friend's address to send her son to a better public school.

https://people.com/crime/mom-sentenc...son-in-school/
That has got to be one of the most wrong punishments I have ever heard of. Who in the hell was that prosecutor and judge??
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Old Yesterday, 02:26 PM
 
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It will be interesting to see what happens to Lori Loughlin. She paid over $500,000 in bribes, faces more charges than Huffman including money laundering, and pled not guilty. Theoretically, she and her husband each face up to 40 years in jail.
All should have their kids banned from attending anything other than University of Phoenix Online or community college.
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Old Yesterday, 04:04 PM
 
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I don’t think the daughter ever knew the original score. You don’t get it instantly it takes weeks you get it in the mail. They corrected her wrong answers before it ever went in for scoring. Then she got her 1400 score in the mail, and she thought that’s what she earned.

It was her PSAT that she got 1000 on a year earlier. So while the PSAT isn't a full SAT and it would be possible for someone to do a little better on the SAT if for no other reason than they had practiced with the PSAT and felt more comfortable and that they had learned more in school a year later. (Then again, students could be more nervous taking the SAT since it counts, but I've read that SAT scores are often slightly higher than PSAT scores.)


So Sophia would have known that her PSAT score was the equivalent of 1000. She also knew she was still struggling with math. I do get that she wouldn't have suspected her mom of arranging for her scores to be changed...unless this was common knowledge among these elite parents and their kids that this "service" was available. It's possible that she was just happy to have gotten higher scores and wasn't analytical/introspective enough to wonder how she accomplished this.
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Old Yesterday, 04:28 PM
 
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All should have their kids banned from attending anything other than University of Phoenix Online or community college.
I don’t think that’s right, because that’s punishing the kids and it’s not their fault. A lot of them didn’t even know.
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