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Miami used to round up the homeless and jail them especially during the Super Bowls the city has hosted.
The ACLU sued the city and that practiced stopped in the 90's and the city/county Government finally built a big shelter that also offered rehab and education/work opportunities at the facility.
Vegas will eventually get sued too.
In an attempt to get homeless people off city streets, the Las Vegas City Council has passed an ordinance that makes it a crime to camp or sleep on a city sidewalk.
Supporters of the ordinance, which passed 5-2 on Wednesday, say it's an attempt to push the more than 6,500 homeless people and families in southern Nevada into homeless shelters while also protecting the health and safety of the community.
Good for them. For over a decade I use to speak at a conference annually in Vegas. I usually stayed at the Rio which was sort of on the fringe. The homeless were all over the area outside the Casinos (as it was a bit off the strip). I finally stopped going to Vegas because I got sick of the homeless and illegals whenever I went out for walk. Now I do my sessions remotely. I use to enjoy Vegas, as it is I have not been back since 2012. Same thing with San Fran, Seattle and Portland, good riddance.
The five people who voted for this are stupid beyond belief. They need to take out the problem by the root: poverty. I expected better of a highly liberal state and city.
Prison will NOT rehabilitate them. It will only give them undeserved mental suffering and sink them deeper into poverty. If that's how it's gonna be, I'd rather be dead than poor.
Poverty is not the root problem, there are plenty of jobs, there is a labor shortage, these people have mental illnesses and/or addiction issues.
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Exactly. I think I have fingered out a solution. We should have a law that prohibits landlords from renting to anyone who doesn't have a verifiable income 3 x higher then the monthly rent. No one in this country should ever pay more then 1/3 of their income for rent. Personally I would make it 1/4, but 1/3 is the standard, so I would go with that. This would force landlords to lower their rents to prices most people can afford, or their rental units would sit empty. That would be their choice, but I'm pretty sure most all landlords would rent out their property for a price people can afford, rather then letting them sit empty.
Most people can now afford rent, that is why it is so high in many places, or does economics escape you?
At that, homeless are homeless because they are mentally ill and/or have addiction issues. They cannot find nor maintain a job.
Glad to see you chime in with your usual anti-property right rant. Please feel free to buy property and rent it out at any price you want, no one stops you from doing this.
You need to study history. First he started the Works Progress Administration (WPA) to give everybody a job. Then he started the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) and United States Housing Authority (USHA) to give everybody housing. He started building public housing for those who still couldn't afford housing. Then to top it off he started Social Security, to provide for people in their old age. He had everybody covered. That is liberalism. And it worked, and to a limited extent his programs are still working today. Unlike more recent political ideologies, that just fail, and fail, and fail, and no matter how long they fail, some keep ramming more of it down our throats anyway.
I'm still waiting for Reaganomics to trickle-down to me. But I haven't seen one penny of it, and at this point I'm pretty sure I never will. But at least I'm sitting here with a roof over my head, thanks to public housing and my Social Security. All thanks to FDR. My life and I think most people's lives are still benefiting from FDR's programs, even through all of these years of Reagan, the Bushes, and Trump kicking us while we are down.
There are no shortage of jobs now, there is actually a labor shortage. If someone cannot work, it is because they do not want to, or have some issue like a disability or addiction.
I do not know why you bring Reagan up again, California is Democrat controlled and, well, how are they doing on their homeless problem?
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Yes, they do, unless they can't find renters. Then they lower their standards, but they never lower the rents. In LA the average rent is $2,500 a month. So by that formula a renter would have to make $7,500 a month. Many people there work in minimum wage jobs. A full time minimum wage job pays about $1,900 a month. So even a renter with three full time minimum wage jobs (which is impossible), would not qualify.
Even the cheapest rentals in LA are about $1,500 a month. If the landlord was catering to low income renters with two full time jobs, they would have to lower the rent to at least $1,250 a month, or they would have a 100% vacancy rate. Because no minimum wage workers would qualify. If my plan was a reality, landlords providing housing for low income renters, would have to drop the bottom line rents to under $1,000 a month. Which wouldn't be a big improvement, but it would help lower the homeless population.
Rents are high because of demand, and people paying, but as I previously said, economics really escapes you.
And here is a novel idea, if someone cannot afford a place, how about moving to a lower cost place? Many of the homeless in LA and San Francisco are not even from those cities, they came from somewhere else in the US.
There are no shortage of jobs now, there is actually a labor shortage. If someone cannot work, it is because they do not want to, or have some issue like a disability or addiction.
I do not know why you bring Reagan up again, California is Democrat controlled and, well, how are they doing on their homeless problem?
Rents are high because of demand, and people paying, but as I previously said, economics really escapes you.
And here is a novel idea, if someone cannot afford a place, how about moving to a lower cost place? Many of the homeless in LA and San Francisco are not even from those cities, they came from somewhere else in the US.
Rents are high because entitled landlords conspire to continue to raise the rents to ridiculously high amounts. Renters have no choice but to pay the extortion prices, it they can even afford to. If they don't, they are on the streets, and homeless. Which is the problem.
As governor of California Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act that released the mental patients from California institutions, and he failed to fund any programs to deal with the mentally ill outside the institutions. As president he continued to defund mental health services and shut down mental institutions nationwide. Reagan didn't believe in mental health services. This problem was 100% created by Reagan.
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Exactly, but that would require raising taxes to pay for it, and a certain group of taxpayers has been refusing for the last 40 years to pay higher taxes, or for that matter in some cases even the same level of taxes. This is the out come. We have become a third world country with millions of homeless, and inadequate healthcare services.
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Something has to be done about homeless people.6,500 people sleeping on streets? That's crazy
Sidewalks are not for living on. What about all the people who actually want to walk on sidewalks? Do they have no rights?
If I want to camp somewhere I am charged money. It's called a campground.
Whoever these people are, where are social services who should be helping them? Somebody needs to get to the root of the problem. Is it drugs? Mental illness? Poverty? DO something! People shouldn't be taking over the sidewalks for the purpose of sleeping.
It's capitalism. There isn't room for everybody to have a decent life, where they can afford housing. Most of the wealth is in the hands of a few, and this is the result of such a dysfunctional system. Blaming the victims of it isn't going to make it any less of a societal problem, but thanks for playing.
Exactly, but that would require raising taxes to pay for it, and a certain group of taxpayers has been refusing for the last 40 years to pay higher taxes, or for that matter in some cases even the same level of taxes. This is the out come. We have become a third world country with millions of homeless, and inadequate healthcare services.
My view is that they're not criminalizing being poor, they're criminalizing not taking advantage of shelter when it's available. Cities aren't wanting to ticket or arrest if the shelters are full and there's nowhere else for these people to go.
The shelters do offer other services besides a bed at night, and the only way to get people to take advantage of those services is to get them into the shelter.
^^This.
Many people living on the streets are unwilling or unable to follow even basic rules imposed by shelters. so they live on the street. If they will not willingly leave the sidewalks for shelters, then shelters must be provided and they must be compelled to use them.
Rhode Island has a program for the drug addicted criminals or homeless. Either rehab or jail. Take your pick. They provide abundant resources in jail and require them to continue to follow up after they're released. They talk about it in the documentary, "Seattle is Dying" here:
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