DART Expansion (Dallas: to live in, move, light-rail)

[mm4]

Nexis4Jersey, do you recall a time not too long ago, say, 1995, when practically the tallest thing westward across the Hudson from downtown was a monumental Colgate clock on the ground? And it was all served by PATH for over 100 years? And Grove Street has...Evertrust Plaza? And Pavonia had...basically nothing until Newport went up? Do you notice something a little, maybe, new about it all now, coinciding with a little help from the NYC-generated dot coms 1 and 2 and then the national housing finance boom?

And I don't understand about "slots" along the Hudson-Bergen being used up in Jersey City. Isn't a "slot" just any vacant lot or one story retail strip or aging five story apt. they want to redevelop. There's a city full of them.

Without rail transit, the Dallas region developed differently over time. Imagine running the little Hudson-Bergen LRT to outlying suburbs like, typically, South Plainfield, but with the caveat that there had never been a public rail transit system anywhere in NJ or NY before doing such a thing. But instead there was only a massive network of wide freeways headed from them into Manhattan from every direction.

[Lynn411]

GREAT MAPS here everyone I love it ! ... thanks for posting them

[TowerGuy]

Originally Posted by portyhead24

Let's not forget Tokyo.

Oh certainly not, to my surprise it was 5th and not 2nd on that list. I just took the top 2. LOL.

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by Dallaz

That's the whole point! Light rail will help spur development.

But its happening to slow , and Downtown Dallas's Parking Policies need to be redone to discourage driving and promote Mass Transit.

Originally Posted by TowerGuy

Nexis4Jersey, you've made your point twice on here, we suck compared to the east coast and we have work to do, blah blah blah. All this expansion is necessary in order to have a useful system that people will want to use. The Green and Orange lines will serve entirely new areas of the metro and they will be used, patience please. DART Rail has gone from non-existent to a 72 mile network with loads of potential in just 14 years. IMO that is impressive. Don't worry, plenty of money is being invested in in-fill around the stations but again, patience please.

Meanwhile, the NY and NJ rail transit systems have been around for over a century. Shouldn't they be the cleanest, most efficient, most technologically advanced rail transit systems on the planet by now???

Let's make a deal. DART will do its best to get the word out and educate the public about mass transit in order to increase ridership as well as promote urban density. NY/NJ will, in turn, strive to dethrone the London Underground and Paris Metro as the cleanest, most efficient, most technologically advanced rail transit systems on the planet.

To be more accurate its the Bos-Wash Corridor. You can't have Successful TOD when you have your Light Rail lines running next to the Freeways and Highways.....thats part of the reason why you have low ridership because your system does not go to the core of the town or city but on the edge. Size does not mean a thing , ridership and modal share do , and DART fails in both category's. The Systems around here have been getting upgraded for the past 12 years , New Wires , Upgraded Stations , New / Faster Trains up to 125mph , Newer Buses , New Signals , Newer Tracks , and restored lines. New Jersey Transit and Metro North are the best systems at this , while LIRR and NYC Subway are the worst at this. This past decade alone NJT / MNRR added at least 260 + miles of Regional Rail / Urban Rail Transit and have plans for another 800+ miles of Restored Regional Rail and Urban Rail. Ridership is growing on all lines , some lines have grown by a few thousand this year alone. Most towns around here are turning there old Industrial centers into Mixed use and there doing it faster then Dallas which is sad because the Taxes are higher up here.

Originally Posted by mm4

Nexis4Jersey, do you recall a time not too long ago, say, 1995, when practically the tallest thing westward across the Hudson from downtown was a monumental Colgate clock on the ground? And it was all served by PATH for over 100 years? And Grove Street has...Evertrust Plaza? And Pavonia had...basically nothing until Newport went up? Do you notice something a little, maybe, new about it all now, coinciding with a little help from the NYC-generated dot coms 1 and 2 and then the national housing finance boom?

And I don't understand about "slots" along the Hudson-Bergen being used up in Jersey City. Isn't a "slot" just any vacant lot or one story retail strip or aging five story apt. they want to redevelop. There's a city full of them.

Without rail transit, the Dallas region developed differently over time. Imagine running the little Hudson-Bergen LRT to outlying suburbs like, typically, South Plainfield, but with the caveat that there had never been a public rail transit system anywhere in NJ or NY before doing such a thing. But instead there was only a massive network of wide freeways headed from them into Manhattan from every direction.

Yes , i remember when i was little it was an Industrial wasteland , with only a few buildings up and now its a Dense Metropolis. The PATH was built to connect the Regional Railways to the Urban Industrial areas , the Regional Railways have serve the suburbs. The Suburbs in most of this region are dense and go back to the 1930s. The PATH , Hoboken Terminal , Newark Board Street and Penn , and a few other railway stations are 90-100+ years old. Slots are vacant spaces , alot of cities up here have them ,or use that term. 70% of the Slots along the HBLR have been developed another 20% should be developed this decade. Hench why Ridership on our system hasn't peaked yet , also the fact that the HBLR goes around the Denser parts of the NJ Gold Coast. There is a light rail proposed for South Plainfield , it would run form Bound Brook to Perth Amboy / Staten Island. Note for the MNRR map , those are not the official stations but are pretty close.

PATH & NJ Light Rail Extensions - Google Maps

MNRR Long Term Plans and proposals - Google Maps

2040 Amtrak Northeastern plan - Google Maps

Northeast / Mid - Atlantic 2040-2050- Rail Map for SSC / SSP /CD - Google Maps

Massachusetts 2040 Regional / Urban Rail plan - Google Maps

SE PA 2040 Rail / Inner Urban Transit Plan - Google Maps

[hamiltonpl]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

But its happening to slow , and Downtown Dallas's Parking Policies need to be redone to discourage driving and promote Mass Transit.

To be more accurate its the Bos-Wash Corridor. You can't have Successful TOD when you have your Light Rail lines running next to the Freeways and Highways.....thats part of the reason why you have low ridership because your system does not go to the core of the town or city but on the edge. Size does not mean a thing , ridership and modal share do , and DART fails in both category's. The Systems around here have been getting upgraded for the past 12 years , New Wires , Upgraded Stations , New / Faster Trains up to 125mph , Newer Buses , New Signals , Newer Tracks , and restored lines. New Jersey Transit and Metro North are the best systems at this , while LIRR and NYC Subway are the worst at this. This past decade alone NJT / MNRR added at least 260 + miles of Regional Rail / Urban Rail Transit and have plans for another 800+ miles of Restored Regional Rail and Urban Rail. Ridership is growing on all lines , some lines have grown by a few thousand this year alone. Most towns around here are turning there old Industrial centers into Mixed use and there doing it faster then Dallas which is sad because the Taxes are higher up here.

Yes , i remember when i was little it was an Industrial wasteland , with only a few buildings up and now its a Dense Metropolis. The PATH was built to connect the Regional Railways to the Urban Industrial areas , the Regional Railways have serve the suburbs. The Suburbs in most of this region are dense and go back to the 1930s. The PATH , Hoboken Terminal , Newark Board Street and Penn , and a few other railway stations are 90-100+ years old. Slots are vacant spaces , alot of cities up here have them ,or use that term. 70% of the Slots along the HBLR have been developed another 20% should be developed this decade. Hench why Ridership on our system hasn't peaked yet , also the fact that the HBLR goes around the Denser parts of the NJ Gold Coast. There is a light rail proposed for South Plainfield , it would run form Bound Brook to Perth Amboy / Staten Island. Note for the MNRR map , those are not the official stations but are pretty close.

PATH & NJ Light Rail Extensions - Google Maps

MNRR Long Term Plans and proposals - Google Maps

2040 Amtrak Northeastern plan - Google Maps

Northeast / Mid - Atlantic 2040-2050- Rail Map for SSC / SSP /CD - Google Maps

Massachusetts 2040 Regional / Urban Rail plan - Google Maps

SE PA 2040 Rail / Inner Urban Transit Plan - Google Maps

Our towns are built on vastly different scales and at different times with vastly different technology. Jersey complaining that we don't have the mass transit ridership of the Northeast is like Texans complaining you don't have any ranch land on the East River.

[Dallas native]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

While your system is huge , your ridership levels are pathetic and laughable.... The Dallas Metro needs to step it up and do some serious infill around the stations or stop expanding....

No sh*t, Sherlock. You think the current economy might have had something to do with that? When developers can't get financing, it's pretty hard to build anything.

[TowerGuy]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

But its happening to slow , and Downtown Dallas's Parking Policies need to be redone to discourage driving and promote Mass Transit.




To be more accurate its the Bos-Wash Corridor. You can't have Successful TOD when you have your Light Rail lines running next to the Freeways and Highways.....thats part of the reason why you have low ridership because your system does not go to the core of the town or city but on the edge. Size does not mean a thing , ridership and modal share do , and DART fails in both category's. The Systems around here have been getting upgraded for the past 12 years , New Wires , Upgraded Stations , New / Faster Trains up to 125mph , Newer Buses , New Signals , Newer Tracks , and restored lines. New Jersey Transit and Metro North are the best systems at this , while LIRR and NYC Subway are the worst at this. This past decade alone NJT / MNRR added at least 260 + miles of Regional Rail / Urban Rail Transit and have plans for another 800+ miles of Restored Regional Rail and Urban Rail. Ridership is growing on all lines , some lines have grown by a few thousand this year alone. Most towns around here are turning there old Industrial centers into Mixed use and there doing it faster then Dallas which is sad because the Taxes are higher up here.

You fail to see my point. The DART Rail Network is ONLY 14 years old and is JUST NOW developing into an actual SYSTEM. Not enough time has passed for you to pass final judgement as DART Rail is under construction. DART has in fact attracted TOD but not as much as it could have due to oh, I don't know, the lost decade perhaps??? Check back December 8, 2020.

[Lakewooder]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

thats part of the reason why you have low ridership because your system does not go to the core of the town or city but on the edge.

Can you explain this posit?

[Dallas native]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

You can't have Successful TOD when you have your Light Rail lines running next to the Freeways and Highways

I wish you had told the developers about this rule sooner before they wasted so much money on these mixed use developments.

West Village, 3 blocks off of the CityPlace subway station on US75: West Village

Mockingbird Station, bordered on the west by US75 and on the east by DART: Clothing and Accessories | Mockingbird Station

Park Lane Place, bordered on the west by US75 and on the NE by DART: Discover Park Lane (http://www.parklanedallas.com/discovery.php?r=shopping - broken link)

[TowerGuy]

Originally Posted by Lakewooder

Can you explain this posit?

Yes, please do. That post leads me to believe Nexis4Jersey has never been here or even looked at a map of DART Rail.