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These utilities and supply chains aren't created by the owner, they are created by networking.
All the different factories of one company (for example) are not granted added resources by the will of the owner, they are granted by a series of cooperative networks with other production facilities that share and coordinate production.
These connections could still exist without one central owner dictating the terms of usage of the cumulative output.
Did I say could? Let me clarify, they will as syndicates (guild systems) will be set up to form direct networks between production centers (they'd be voluntary, but without the for profit demands, joining would be nothing but positive for each cooperative).
In fact these networks will be more extensive than the current corporate one being as sharing and coordination won't be limited to production centers owned by a certain person and they would be free to organize based on mutual benefit rather than the desires of a group of shareholders.
Did I say could? Let me clarify, they will as syndicates (guild systems) will be set up to form direct networks between production centers (they'd be voluntary, but without the for profit demands, joining would be nothing but positive for each cooperative).
In fact these networks will be more extensive than the current corporate one being as sharing and coordination won't be limited to production centers owned by a certain person and they would be free to organize based on mutual benefit rather than the desires of a group of shareholders.
Those multi-national supply chains will be a breeze to get going in your alternate universe.
The company would be run cooperatively, unlike most capitalist, I don't have the arrogance to claim complete control over an organization I do not completely operate.
Those multi-national supply chains will be a breeze to get going in your alternate universe.
Of course these decentralized networks already exist and function today, the corporate heads don't directly force the engagement, and they are not responsible with maintaining them.
Once we have a cooperative network of worker own community minded production center that don't work for shareholder profit, the networks that already exist would be connected through a syndicate system (handled democratically unlike today) and the actual producers of power (the production center, not the executives or shareholders) will be free to communicate, trade, coordinate, and enhance production.
Of course these decentralized networks already exist and function today, the corporate heads don't directly force the engagement, and they are not responsible with maintaining them.
Once we have a cooperative network of worker own community minded production center that don't work for shareholder profit, the networks that already exist would be connected through a syndicate system (handled democratically unlike today) and the actual producers of power (the production center, not the executives or shareholders) will be free to communicate, trade, coordinate, and enhance production.
Name the multi national supply chains that exist within the confines of your imaginary utopian society.
Name the multi national supply chains that exist within the confines of your imaginary utopian society.
All of them actually. Take a look at any large corporation, the production centers communicate directly in actual practice despite the fact the higher ups negotiate terms to allow these partnerships to form.
If you eliminate the higher powers of either the state or corporations, production centers will be free to communicate and work with as many centers as need be, or even form groups (packs) within a syndicate to specifically increase ties with an entirely separate syndicate rather than just one production center with another.
The scale of these relationships depend on the individual and communal needs of whoever is partnering with however many people, but the function is the same as today.
Remember, corporate leaders and state allow and regulate these cooperative chains, they do not themselves directly manage them. The same principles and infrastructure that exist today would stay the same, they'd just be ordered differently.
And like I said before, the share holders are not responsible with making sure these supply chains function, they just allow them to happen.
Again you are talking about role and authority, which is different from managing output. The latter is only necessary to organize a large corporate for profit structure that benefits shareholders, the former is different roles workers play depending on their expertise.
All businesses have Capital that must be managed. That includes sole proprietorships, general partnerships, limited partnerships, limited liability partnerships, limited liability companies, for profit and not for profit corporations and S-Corps.
You're railing against the minuscule 3% of all US businesses that are publicly-traded corporations and which only employ a mere 5.8% of the work-force.
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Of course some people know more about one thing than the other, and they may even have to organize production in a certain way, but all workers should democratically have a say what purpose that person should play and who that person is and for what duration of time.
Workers are too stupid to properly manage Capital, which is why they are workers and not managers of Capital.
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Most people don’t know about foreign policy or state policy, does that mean the citizens should have no say in how government is run and instead we should have a politburo making decisions for us?
All of them actually. Take a look at any large corporation, the production centers communicate directly in actual practice despite the fact the higher ups negotiate terms to allow these partnerships to form.
If you eliminate the higher powers of either the state or corporations, production centers will be free to communicate and work with as many centers as need be, or even form groups (packs) within a syndicate to specifically increase ties with an entirely separate syndicate rather than just one production center with another.
The scale of these relationships depend on the individual and communal needs of whoever is partnering with however many people, but the function is the same as today.
Remember, corporate leaders and state allow and regulate these cooperative chains, they do not themselves directly manage them. The same principles and infrastructure that exist today would stay the same, they'd just be ordered differently.
And like I said before, the share holders are not responsible with making sure these supply chains function, they just allow them to happen.
The relationships are based on profit not mutual cooperation. Any suggestion otherwise is wrong. And mutual profit depends on shareholder capital or the supply chain wouldn’t be necessary or exist.
Name one multi-national supply chain that operates in a cooperative manner.
All businesses have Capital that must be managed. That includes sole proprietorships, general partnerships, limited partnerships, limited liability partnerships, limited liability companies, for profit and not for profit corporations and S-Corps.
You're railing against the minuscule 3% of all US businesses that are publicly-traded corporations and which only employ a mere 5.8% of the work-force.
Workers are too stupid to properly manage Capital, which is why they are workers and not managers of Capital.
No, it says we should use testing for voters.
1. Just nonsensical, just because the relationship and organization of shareholder rule is different, their voting systems are different, etc. doesn't mean the corporate board doesn't have control over the company
2. That's what checks and balances are for, one worker doesn't give management orders, but cumulatively they have a say and different authorities on different matters play different roles while also being accountable to the workers at large.
3. I have no idea what you mean.
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