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Old 02-11-2012, 07:32 PM
 
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The fallacy of this argument is that the Federal Government had to steal money from people in order to give it to some lucky recipient. What you fail to understand is the money they stole would have been voluntarily chosen in the marketplace to possibly create the same, or even better things.

The Federal Government steals money from one person, and gives it to an other. You are intellectually dishonest if you do not understand this.
Oh man, you happen to be using the results of that research, just as you use the Internet, which came from ARPANET, established in 1962 and fully funded by the FEDS. If you truly believed in anything you posted, you wouldn't be using the Internet. But you are. If you followed what you posted to its logical conclusion, then that makes you an accomplice and a thief as well.

 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:32 PM
 
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Then begin by not driving on FED roads, using FED power, flying into FED airports and on and on. If you truly believe what you posted, then on principle, you wouldn't be using the Internet. I'm sorry if I can't believe what you posted, until you do those basic things....
I am sorry...but FED roads are not necessary. Toll roads would be a much better solution.

To which FED power, or FED airports are you referring? Again, you fail to understand that in the absence of Federal Government stealing, the market place will decide with much greater efficiency.

You, yourself, said that the Internet was created by the Department of Defense, which is one of the ONLY parts of the Federal Government that is clearly enumerated in the Constitution....that is....The Common Defense. Even so, just like the Telephone, that was NOT created with by the government, the Internet would have happened by needs of the market place. Please....I beg you...try to understand fundamental economics.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:34 PM
 
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Oh man, you happen to be using the results of that research, just as you use the Internet, which came from ARPANET, established in 1962 and fully funded by the FEDS. If you truly believed in anything you posted, you wouldn't be using the Internet. But you are. If you followed what you posted to its logical conclusion, then that makes you an accomplice and a thief as well.
Study the Constitution. As you correctly pointed out...the Internet was created by ARPANET...which was really DARPANET...Defense Advanced Research Project Agency.....The Common Defense is one of the ONLY parts of the Federal System of Government enumerated in the Constitution.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:39 PM
 
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I am sorry...but FED roads are not necessary. Toll roads would be a much better solution.

To which FED power, or FED airports are you referring? Again, you fail to understand that in the absence of Federal Government stealing, the market place will decide with much greater efficiency.

You, yourself, said that the Internet was created by the Department of Defense, which is one of the ONLY parts of the Federal Government that is clearly enumerated in the Constitution....that is....The Common Defense. Even so, just like the Telephone, that was NOT created with by the government, the Internet would have happened by needs of the market place. Please....I beg you...try to understand fundamental economics.

You are using these resources, which makes you as much of a thief as the government. And you have no idea how airports work if you're asking me what role the FEDS play in the establishment of airports and their funding.

Your use of the Internet has nothing to do with the common defense. It was licensed to be used for the retail market and nothing that your posting in any way underscores the need for the protection of our country. How you make that leap is totally irrational. I'm going to say this with the best possible intentions, please use some basic common sense. You cannot wish things to be true because you have a certain political bent. What you're posting is illogical....
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:43 PM
 
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Study the Constitution. As you correctly pointed out...the Internet was created by ARPANET...which was really DARPANET...Defense Advanced Research Project Agency.....The Common Defense is one of the ONLY part of the Federal System of Government enumerated in the Constitution.
Please use just a bit of common sense. Your use of the Internet has NOTHING to do with the protection of this country. If it did, then it would be a public good. The military isn't privatized, even if we do pay private contractors. Your use of the net is for your private use, not for anything to do with protecting our borders. The FED highway system was also funded through the Department of Defense, but YOUR use of those highways has nothing to do with protecting the nation.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:47 PM
 
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You are using these resources, which makes you as much of a thief as the government. And you have no idea how airports work if you're asking me what role the FEDS play in the establishment of airports and their funding.

Your use of the Internet has nothing to do with the common defense. It was licensed to be used for the retail market and nothing that your posting in any way underscores the need for the protection of our country. How you make that leap is totally irrational. I'm going to say this with the best possible intentions, please use some basic common sense. You cannot wish things to be true because you have a certain political bent. What you're posting is illogical....
The Common Defense is one of the only functions of the Federal System of Government defined in the Constitution. The FACT that the Department of Defense created the Internet was a LOGICAL understanding of what was required for our Common Defense.

You still failed to provide any evidence for what the useless NIH has created.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:50 PM
 
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Please use just a bit of common sense. Your use of the Internet has NOTHING to do with the protection of this country. If it did, then it would be a public good. The military isn't privatized, even if we do pay private contractors. Your use of the net is for your private use, not for anything to do with protecting our borders. The FED highway system was also funded through the Department of Defense, but YOUR use of those highways has nothing to do with protecting the nation.
You made the argument that the Internet was created by DARPANET...Defense Advanced Research Project Agency. If they didn't do it for our DEFENSE, why would the DEFENSE Department create it? Maybe you are saying that the DEFENSE Department is Illogical, and not doing things for our Common DEFENSE?
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:59 PM
 
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what role the FEDS play in the establishment of airports and their funding.
I am sorry, but you make lots of claims without any substantiation. Please provide at least one factual evidence for your claims. How are the FEDS playing a role in the establishment of airports? If they do fund anything, it is AGAIN...done through stealing. That doesn't make it right or a good thing.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 08:18 PM
 
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Why should standards be the same? Whose standards? Maybe one community wants more stringent standards, and another doesn't. Every community should be allowed to set their own standards.
They should be the same so that students moving from one state to another are being taught the same material. If everyone sets the same standards, you're shooting a moving target AND since students will attend universities across the country, they may find they aren't prepared.

We have common engineering standards so why not common education standards? Ideally, the standards would be set high (like they are for engineering standards) so you shouldn't have issues with certain areas wanting higher standards.

I disagree on every community setting their own standards because not every community has members capable of setting education standards. Fortunately this is in process. States are adopting common standards that will allow students who move from state to state to not find themselves either years ahead or years behind their peers after the move.

Education standards aren't arbitrary so there is no need to have each community pick their own. We know what colleges expect. Michigan just changed from a proficiency model to a mastery model WRT how state test data is reported. Our scores will plummet this year because instead of reporting the % of students who meet a minimum standard, they will be reporting the % of students who are college ready without remediation. That's a pretty high bar....which is good.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 08:18 PM
 
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I am sorry, but you make lots of claims without any substantiation. Please provide at least one factual evidence for your claims. How are the FEDS playing a role in the establishment of airports? If they do fund anything, it is AGAIN...done through stealing. That doesn't make it right or a good thing.

Can you point out which countries don't tax their citizens for these services? Whom should we emulate who doesn't have national roads, bridges, airports, waterways, and other infrastructure? Which countries rely exclusively on private initiative to provide education and health services? I must have missed it, because all I can come up with are the socialist countries with high standards of living for most citizens, the third world countries with high standards of living for the very wealthy and nearly abject poverty for everyone else, and the few communist countries left where most everyone is living at a subsistence level, but education and health care are still covered. Where is this other system that has the federal government reserved only for defense? Anyone?
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