14 dead & 14 injured at house party in Juarez (El Paso, Canadian: safe, moving)

[Heimdall]

Originally Posted by luzernecntygent

Yeah..., there in lies the fly in the ointment. As long as the demand and money outweigh the risks, street drugs will always be available, no matter how many DEA agents, troops and border agents are on the offensive. It's a matter of greed, opportunity and supply and demand for the products.

Well... legalizing all the drugs is going to solve the drug crime (not the drug problem though). Financing the establishments all over the country for heroin addicts to support their habit is still going to cost government way less than what the "drug war" is costing them.

[luzernecntygent]

Originally Posted by Heimdall

Well... legalizing all the drugs is going to solve the drug crime (not the drug problem though). Financing the establishments all over the country for heroin addicts to support their habit is still going to cost government way less than what the "drug war" is costing them.

I'm in favor of legalizing, controlling and taxing marijuana. In several states, like California, marijuana is a semi-legal "cash crop" as the situation currently presents itself. De-criminalize and legalize the growth and sale of marijuana, and re-allocate those resources to the control (the best we can hope for) of the hard core opium derivatives, methamphetamines and the rest of the designer street drugs.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by Heimdall

Well... legalizing all the drugs is going to solve the drug crime (not the drug problem though). Financing the establishments all over the country for heroin addicts to support their habit is still going to cost government way less than what the "drug war" is costing them.

Well.... legalizing meth and heroin in the USA won't stop the extortion, kidnapping for ransom, bank robberies, carjackings and the massacre of students who were not drug traffickers.

A lot of that crime over there doesn't involve drug traffickers who smuggle drugs to the USA at all. It's just crime - like the brutal rapes and murders and mutilations of hundreds of Juarez women and girls -- and they were not mostly drug smugglers.

[Heimdall]

Originally Posted by malamute

Well.... legalizing meth and heroin in the USA won't stop the extortion, kidnapping for ransom, bank robberies, carjackings and the massacre of students who were not drug traffickers.

I meant it would solve the problem in the US.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by Heimdall

I meant it would solve the problem in the US.

What problem?

For example, El Paso is actually quite safe to live in - I'm not sure having meth and heroin and pot sold in every 7-11 like beer would make it so much better.

In fact the biggest problem here with violence and deadly accidents is with that legal drug alcohol. Legalization is NOT keeping it from middle school and high school age kids.

[Enmity]

Originally Posted by malamute

Well.... legalizing meth and heroin in the USA won't stop the extortion, kidnapping for ransom, bank robberies, carjackings and the massacre of students who were not drug traffickers.

A lot of that crime over there doesn't involve drug traffickers who smuggle drugs to the USA at all. It's just crime - like the brutal rapes and murders and mutilations of hundreds of Juarez women and girls -- and they were not mostly drug smugglers.

The point is money is power and they're getting the bulk of their power with drug trafficking. The "drug war" is ignorant, calvinist insanity. The the DEA does nothing but lie through their teeth.

[luzernecntygent]

Originally Posted by Enmity

The point is money is power and they're getting the bulk of their power with drug trafficking. The "drug war" is ignorant, calvinist insanity. The the DEA does nothing but lie through their teeth.

The DEA is like every other government agency; be they Federal, state or local. They are all a bureaucracy with their own "turf" to protect from other agencies. Their budgets are politically controlled by the right people in Congress with the right seniority sitting on the controlling budget committees. The "agenda and scope of operations" is set by politicians for politicians with the goal of retaining budget and "turf" power for the respective agencies that these politicians control. It's like the fox controlling the operations of the hen house!

[malamute]

Originally Posted by Enmity

The point is money is power and they're getting the bulk of their power with drug trafficking. The "drug war" is ignorant, calvinist insanity. The the DEA does nothing but lie through their teeth.

Well I suppose you'd want to legalize extortion and kidnap for ransom too? They get plenty of money that way also.

[Caltep]

Did you see the MSNBC report on this? As a freshman in college over twenty years ago, I said this in a lecture hall class of about 200 students (forgot why we were discussing it)....everyone, including the professor thought I was smoking something.

Originally Posted by luzernecntygent

I'm in favor of legalizing, controlling and taxing marijuana. In several states, like California, marijuana is a semi-legal "cash crop" as the situation currently presents itself. De-criminalize and legalize the growth and sale of marijuana, and re-allocate those resources to the control (the best we can hope for) of the hard core opium derivatives, methamphetamines and the rest of the designer street drugs.

[luzernecntygent]

Caltep
Did you see the MSNBC report on this? As a freshman in college over twenty years ago, I said this in a lecture hall class of about 200 students (forgot why we were discussing it)....everyone, including the professor thought I was smoking something.

Originally Posted by luzernecntygent
I'm in favor of legalizing, controlling and taxing marijuana. In several states, like California, marijuana is a semi-legal "cash crop" as the situation currently presents itself. De-criminalize and legalize the growth and sale of marijuana, and re-allocate those resources to the control (the best we can hope for) of the hard core opium derivatives, methamphetamines and the rest of the designer street drugs.

Your significant phrase is "over twenty years ago". This is 2010, not the 1980's. Marijuana is a $3 billion cash crop in California. The cost and efforts in controlling the marijuana crop in California is akin to scooping a pail full of sand from the Malibu Beach. California is so strapped for cash that the paparazzi are going to start using Kodak Instamatic cameras! Marijuana is the least harmful and addictive of the "recreational" drugs. Legalize it, tax it and control it, then re-allocate your resources to opium and its derivatives, and include methamphetamine and the other "designer" drugs that permeate schools and the club scene. Prescription drug abuse is a whole other story and situation.