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Old 09-11-2013, 12:26 AM
 
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by the way, how moderate can you get with Romney and Mccain? LOL.

they lost because Mccain was too old and some view him as a Bush 3rd term and a war hawk and the nation wanted to go in a different direction......and Romney lost because its hard to beat a sitting President that has a bigger war chest than anybody and no primary challenge.



but I laugh when people say the GOP has to find moderates to run......LMAO........Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr., W Bush, Dole, Mccain and Romney were all center-right moderates..........tell me when an extremist candidate has won the GOP Nomination in modern times? NEVER

 
Old 09-11-2013, 03:02 AM
 
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Default Not anytime soon. No on pale, stale, and male party

Certainly not in 2016. Their record is atrocious and Bush remains a thorn in their neck. They have REGRESSED since the village idiot left office. Their only hope is that the country suddenly changed for no rational reason, and wants something "different". They then make the mistake of picking a Republican to be president, thus putting this country on a road to bleeding to death.

Republicans can't fall back on their record. They are praying to God that something bad happens so the country is immediately turned off by President Obama, and then jumps to the other side. This is how Bush got elected. Not going to happen.

Republicans need to completely recreate themselves so they are unrecognizable in order to fit into modern times. They essentially have to become Democrats.

With rejects like Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, and Rubio thrown out as potential GOP candidates, they are in trouble. They will LOSE 2016 and the Dem President will have two terms. 2024 sees the Pubs try to revive themselves, but by the time, the demographics will overwhelmingly reject that bigoted part that is pale, stale, and male.
 
Old 09-12-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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Certainly not in 2016. Their record is atrocious and Bush remains a thorn in their neck. They have REGRESSED since the village idiot left office. Their only hope is that the country suddenly changed for no rational reason, and wants something "different". They then make the mistake of picking a Republican to be president, thus putting this country on a road to bleeding to death.

Republicans can't fall back on their record. They are praying to God that something bad happens so the country is immediately turned off by President Obama, and then jumps to the other side. This is how Bush got elected. Not going to happen.

Republicans need to completely recreate themselves so they are unrecognizable in order to fit into modern times. They essentially have to become Democrats.

With rejects like Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, and Rubio thrown out as potential GOP candidates, they are in trouble. They will LOSE 2016 and the Dem President will have two terms. 2024 sees the Pubs try to revive themselves, but by the time, the demographics will overwhelmingly reject that bigoted part that is pale, stale, and male.
Weeding through you predictable partisan cheer leading, I offer a couple of points.

1. You accuse Republicans of bleeding this country to death, yet it is Obama beating the drums on Syria. Did you happen to catch the speech? Even liberal/progressive commentators were having a field day with that gem....

2. The Obama administration and the Democrats in the Senate are financially bleeding this country dry. The Democrats are not fit to govern as demonstrated by their complete and utter failure to even pass a budget in over four years. If you check your calendar, that would include the time period when they controlled both houses of Congress and the White House. Interested in any excuses you may have to offer that utter failure.

3. Do you have anything to support your claims of bigotry, or is it just the predictable fall back position all hard lefties revert to out of instinct? Marco Rubio is neither pale, nor stale. From your cheer leading, I would assume that you are leaning towards Hillary in 2016? The candidate the Dems could not even rally to support in 2008. Her "What does it matter?" remarks with regard to Benghazi will haunt her, the majority of Americans will not look favorably upon such callous disregard for lives of not only Americans, but people she sent into harms way.
 
Old 09-12-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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...tell me when an extremist candidate has won the GOP Nomination in modern times? NEVER
Goldwater?
 
Old 09-12-2013, 05:10 PM
 
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Goldwater?

Goldwater? extremist???? LMAO.....this is the guy that went up against war monger LBJ.....history proved that the wrong guy won in 1964. Goldwater would have never gone in Vietnam like LBJ did.

Looking at Goldwater's record in the senate, he was hardly an extremist.....he was the voice of reason in the senate and was the first one from his party that told Nixon he had to resign in person that he wasn't going to defend him.
 
Old 09-12-2013, 07:08 PM
 
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but I laugh when people say the GOP has to find moderates to run......LMAO........Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr., W Bush, Dole, Mccain and Romney were all center-right moderates..........tell me when an extremist candidate has won the GOP Nomination in modern times? NEVER
Everyone on your list won with vastly different demographics. Until the GOP learns how to persuade 21st century America to vote for their nominee for POTUS, they are DOA. W did know how, but if the nominee attended Latino events today as W did, he'd be the first one in the primary knocked out by the wing nuts.
 
Old 09-12-2013, 07:51 PM
 
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Everyone on your list won with vastly different demographics. Until the GOP learns how to persuade 21st century America to vote for their nominee for POTUS, they are DOA. W did know how, but if the nominee attended Latino events today as W did, he'd be the first one in the primary knocked out by the wing nuts.


you mean if a GOP candidate is not for amnesty he is toast? LOL....................our nation has been dumb down so much that if you are against amnesty then you are against latinos.
The GOP is fine....you can't win all WH elections......they have control of congress and 30 governorships in the nation to the 20 to Democrats.


The strategy is if you can't win the WH in an election cycle then control congress and most governorships in the nation. That's how you balance things out. People think that the President is KING and everything is controlled from the WH.....lol
 
Old 09-12-2013, 08:11 PM
 
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you mean if a GOP candidate is not for amnesty he is toast?
If a GOP nominee is not in favor of immigration reform, in a manner like centrist Senators, yes, the nominee is toast.

It is simply a mathematical equation.

The GOP's failure to respect science and simple math has solidified Obamacare forever. The way to eliminate it is all 3 of these:

(1) GOP POTUS
(2) GOP 60 Senators
(3) GOP house
 
Old 09-12-2013, 09:48 PM
 
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If a GOP nominee is not in favor of immigration reform, in a manner like centrist Senators, yes, the nominee is toast.

It is simply a mathematical equation.

The GOP's failure to respect science and simple math has solidified Obamacare forever. The way to eliminate it is all 3 of these:

(1) GOP POTUS
(2) GOP 60 Senators
(3) GOP house

is that what they call amnesty today, "IMMIGRATION REFORM" ......LMAO!.......maybe they should tell the nation that according to the CBO report that the immigration reform being push by these "centrist" senators who are in the pockets of big business for cheap labor will raise unemployment and lower wages........when people see the details and the consequences they won't support this bill.


To get rid of obamacare they stop funding it little by little,.....less than 40% of the country support it and it will eventually be change once the nation see it raises taxes and raises unemployment.
 
Old 09-12-2013, 09:53 PM
 
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To get rid of obamacare they stop funding it little by little,.....less than 40% of the country support it and it will eventually be change once the nation see it raises taxes and raises unemployment.[/quote]

They lack the votes to defund it. Red states pay less than they get back, defund gov't (it would have to be total shutdown to get to Obamacare), you get big cuts to Farm subsidies, TVA, etc, and the first states whining for relief will be red. The first states with unemployment soaring will be red. That is why the GOP is performing a farce, ceremonial House bills to eliminate Obamacare.they don't want to trade red state aid for Obamacare being eliminated..and they fooled you ..that is no surprise.

They know the farce is safe, as the Democratic Senate and POTUS will mean what the House does means zippo.
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