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Old 01-15-2008, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Glitch. You make claims but then can't back them up.

Your "Hate America First" rhetoric is the same diatribe that was used during the Vietnam war "Love it or leave it". Members of my family fought in Vietnam.

I love this country. All of my posts here have all been about my love of this country.

Support your claims or just give it up.
You quoted my post twice, but still failed to read what I posted. Long before there was an Israel, long before there were any US soldiers anywhere in the middle-east, Islamic fanatics were killing innocent Americans during the Barbary Wars. Or is it that you don't want to know?
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas (y'all)
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You quoted my post twice, but still failed to read what I posted. Long before there was an Israel, long before there were any US soldiers anywhere in the middle-east, Islamic fanatics were killing innocent Americans during the Barbary Wars. Or is it that you don't want to know?
Referring to Pirates at Sea in the Mediterranean is a highly ridiculous example. This wasn't in our backyard, it was again in their backyard.
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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You quoted my post twice, but still failed to read what I posted. Long before there was an Israel, long before there were any US soldiers anywhere in the middle-east, Islamic fanatics were killing innocent Americans during the Barbary Wars. Or is it that you don't want to know?
Huh? The "Islamic Fanatics" were trying to blackmail the U.S. by capturing American ships in the Med. Nothing religious about the conflict at all.

One side happened to be Muslim and the other Christian. Nice try though.
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Referring to Pirates at Sea in the Mediterranean is a highly ridiculous example. This wasn't in our backyard, it was again in their backyard.
As I previously stated, you will manufacture any excuse to blame the US. They attack us, and you think it is always our fault. No matter the circumstance, you will always find some way to justify killing innocent Americans.
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas (y'all)
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As I previously stated, you will manufacture any excuse to blame the US. They attack us, and you think it is always our fault. No matter the circumstance, you will always find some way to justify killing innocent Americans.
It's called Blowback. Look at this article from "The Nation"

Blowback

"It is a metaphor for the unintended consequences of the US government's international activities that have been kept secret from the American people."

This is from "The Nation", a conservative US publication.
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:14 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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As I previously stated, you will manufacture any excuse to blame the US. They attack us, and you think it is always our fault. No matter the circumstance, you will always find some way to justify killing innocent Americans.


Well then please tell us when Iraq attacked us which would go a long way towards explaining why we're there, if it ever happened.
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas (y'all)
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As I previously stated, you will manufacture any excuse to blame the US. They attack us, and you think it is always our fault. No matter the circumstance, you will always find some way to justify killing innocent Americans.
Glitch ... we're both Americans and so in that sense we are both in this together. In times of disagreement, I find it useful to find things we have in common rather than the differences. I think that what we have in common is that we want, as a minimum, is for Americans to be safe, free, and have a good standard of living. I think we probably disagree about how to best achieve this. I personally agree with Ron Paul that our Foreign and Domestic Policies are acting against these goals. Our meddling in foreign countries is making Americans less safe. Many of us believe that in the name of securing us from the enemies, that we have created with our Foreign Policy, we are having to give up our liberties. Then having to pay for Foreign Policy we are destroying our standard of living.

I do not hate this country, I love this country. I do not blame this country I blame the leaders who have, in my opinion, worked contrary to our goals.
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:37 AM
 
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Our meddling in foreign countries is making Americans less safe.
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Just come home and defend our borders.
BUT..BUT we have to get rid of 12,000,000 already here.
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You people worry too much, as promise the next President said he/she will take care of all this.

And like idiots we believe them.
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