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What effect does the language of the Naturalization Act of 1802 have on this issue?
SEC4 And be it further enacted That the children of persons duly naturalizedunder any of the laws of the United States or who previous to the passing ofany law on that subject by the government of the United States may have become citizens of any one of the said statesunder the laws thereof being under the age of twenty one years at the time oftheir parents being so naturalized or admitted to the rights of citizenshipshall if dwelling in the United States be considered as citizens of the UnitedStates and the children of persons who now are or have been citizens of theUnited States shall though born out of the limits and jurisdiction of theUnited States be considered as citizens of the United States.
We are all very aware that the intent of the Founders was to prevent a foreign born individual from infiltrating the Federal Government. We are also aware that when the Constitution was drafted and even when the Naturalization Acts of 1790, et seq., were enacted, there were many individuals in the US who were born on foreign soil to parents who were not citizens of the US. The precise language with regard to NATURALIZED citizen was fully intended to address those issues of that day. For all intents and purposes, Ted Cruz is a US citizen who was born to an American Citizen and has spent his life in the US, most specifically, his formative years, and has proven by his service as a State's General Attorney, a US Senator and a clerk to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, that his loyalties lay squarely with the US and all this birther nonsense is only meant to slow the momentum of the Cruz campaign.
I can't believe that Trump supporters are not a little bit bothered that he is doing the dirty work for the GOP establishment by going Birther on Cruz. So much for supporting an "outsider"
Excellent, because the wording is "natural born" and not "native born".
I'm sure this has been said a million times, but I'll repeat it anyways: The Constitution of the United States does not specify that a person must be born inside the United States. It says they must be a natural born citizen and says nothing more on the subject.
The business of defining "natural born citizen" is up to Congress, and it was well defined when Ted Cruz was born.
1. The person's parents were married at the time of birth. Check, they were. 2. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born. Check. His mother was American. 3. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth. Check, his mom did. 4. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday. Check, his mom did that too.
Here we are in a global economy. Men and women alike might have to take a job in a foreign country for a few years. Others might be stationed overseas in the military. Some folks might just be on a long vacation. All of them might have babies while they're abroad. We need to give up the ridiculous notion that this makes those babies non-citizens. The courts covered all this ground when George Romney (Mitt's dad) ran for POTUS. Everything since is just rehashing stuff that's already been settled.
Trouble is, birthers are just like all conspiracy theorists: You can prove your point from every possible angle, but they'll never believe it. Even if the SCOTUS ruled on the matter, they wouldn't give it up.
What effect does the language of the Naturalization Act of 1802 have on this issue?
SEC4 And be it further enacted That the children of persons duly naturalizedunder any of the laws of the United States or who previous to the passing ofany law on that subject by the government of the United States may have become citizens of any one of the said statesunder the laws thereof being under the age of twenty one years at the time oftheir parents being so naturalized or admitted to the rights of citizenshipshall if dwelling in the United States be considered as citizens of the UnitedStates and the children of persons who now are or have been citizens of theUnited States shall though born out of the limits and jurisdiction of theUnited States be considered as citizens of the United States.
Citizen and natural born citizen are not the same thing. The Constitutional requirement for POTUS is natural born citizen. The Constitutional requirement for members of Congress is only citizen.
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We are all very aware that the intent of the Founders was to prevent a foreign born individual from infiltrating the Federal Government.
Not just foreign born, any foreigners at all, and that includes those born dual citizens as they are born foreign citizens/subjects.
Read John Jay's letter to Washington. The intention was to exclude all foreigners, not just the foreign born.
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Provided a process where immigrants could become US citizens. And declared the children of American fathers born abroad to be NATURAL-BORN citizens.
That was repealed just five years later in 1795, and ever since then, those born abroad to U.S. citizen parents have been recognized as citizens only.
"...and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States..."
Cruz born to a US Citizen (Mother) and lived his entire life from 3.5 until today in the US.
That makes him a citizen, but not a natural born citizen. He is eligible to be a member of Congress, as that requires a citizen. He is not eligible for POTUS, however, because that requires a natural born citizen.
'Born a citizen' is not the same as 'natural born citizen.' That was irrevocably established by the original Constitutional Convention...
The NBC clause as originally presented by Alexander Hamilton in June 1787:
"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."
The NBC clause as adopted in September 1787, and as it exists to this day in the Constitution:
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"
Note the difference: 'born a citizen' does not equal 'natural born Citizen.'
The term was specifically changed after John Jay's July 1787 letter to George Washington to block any chance of future Presidents owing allegiance to other foreign nations or having foreign claims on their allegiance and service since birth from becoming President and Commander in Chief of the Military.
Barack "Barry Soterro Hussein" Obama was born to a US Citizen (his mother) but spent all of his formative years living in Indonesia or on the island of Hawaii. Barack's parents met while they were learning Russian at an adult education course. Barack's father was from a Communist country and his mother fancied herself a communist sympathizer. Barack hung out with communists and domestic terrorists and his closest confidant, Frank Marshall Davis was an avowed communist. Obama's most trusted advisor, Valarie Jarrett was married to the son of a self identified Communist.
So yeah, Cruz is the one on shaky ground. ROTFLMAO
Obama, having admittedly been born a foreign subject/citizen, isn't eligible either.
I'm sure this has been said a million times, but I'll repeat it anyways: The Constitution of the United States does not specify that a person must be born inside the United States. It says they must be a natural born citizen and says nothing more on the subject.
The business of defining "natural born citizen" is up to Congress, and it was well defined when Ted Cruz was born.
1. The person's parents were married at the time of birth. Check, they were. 2. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born. Check. His mother was American. 3. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth. Check, his mom did. 4. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday. Check, his mom did that too.
Again, as a citizen, Cruz is eligible for Congress. POTUS requires a natural born citizen.
As I just illustrated using documented historical facts, 'born a citizen' does not equal 'natural born citizen.'
Citizen and natural born citizen are not the same thing. The Constitutional requirement for POTUS is natural born citizen. The Constitutional requirement for members of Congress is only citizen.
Not just foreign born, any foreigners at all, and that includes those born dual citizens as they are born foreign citizens/subjects.
Read John Jay's letter to Washington. The intention was to include all foreigners, not just the foreign born.
A "citizen" by your definition would be someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger who became "naturalized".
Ted Cruz was NEVER naturalized, therefore he is natural born to a citizen mother.
And I think you are getting all of your info from Trump's cheerleaders at The Conservative Treehouse.
Ted Cruz: Suggests Democrats Behind Donald Trump’s ‘Natural Born’ Citizen Debate, Propping Up Candidate Dems Can Beat
“I will say it is more than a little strange to see Donald relying on as authoritative a liberal, left-wing, judicial activist Harvard law professor who is a huge Hillary supporter,” Cruz said to reporters in New Hampshire following a campaign rally, apparently referencing Harvard Law professor Lawrence Tribe’s legal analysis. “It starts to make you think, ‘Gosh, why are some of Hillary’s strongest supporters backing Donald Trump?’”
A "citizen" by your definition would be someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger who became "naturalized".
I'm not going by "my definition." I'm going by actual historical facts, and how the requirement evolved from 'born a citizen' to 'natural born citizen' from June to September of 1787.
I'm not going by "my definition." I'm going by actual historical facts, and how the requirement evolved from 'born a citizen' to 'natural born citizen' from June to September of 1787.
You can go down any rabbit hole you wish. Beginning in 1934, Congress began recognizing transfer of citizenship through the mother. [Naturalization Act of 1934, Section 1, 48 Stat. 797.]
It is what Ted Cruz has stated all along - very straight forward.
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