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Old 03-30-2016, 02:17 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Doesn't everyone who wants abortion outlawed believe there should be some punishment for women who get abortions?

How can you enforce a criminal law without punishment?

I'm no Trump fan, but this is an honest answer to the question.
If you're guilty, get a shyster who pleads affluenza to the judge.
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:17 PM
 
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Back when abortion was illegal (when America was still great), women were not punished for getting one. I dont know for certain as I was but a lad, but recall it was not even illegal to get an abortion - just to provide one.
You're correct. To the best of my knowledge there has never has been a time when a woman was prosecuted for having an illegal abortion; the abortion provider yes, but never the woman. To do so would probably be a first in this country.
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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Female robs bank, according to the left, the husband should be punished.

The stupidity is astounding..
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:20 PM
 
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To the best of my knowledge there has never has been a time when a woman was prosecuted for having an illegal abortion; the abortion provider yes, but never the woman. To do so would probably be a first in this country.


https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...for%20abortion
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:21 PM
 
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Back when abortion was illegal (when America was still great), women were not punished for getting one. I dont know for certain as I was but a lad, but recall it was not even illegal to get an abortion - just to provide one.
That selective punishment (charge the provider not the woman) admits that it is not really murder.
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:22 PM
 
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That selective punishment (charge the provider not the woman) admits that it is not really murder.
Or that it was, they just didnt view it as the female killing the baby, since the doctor was the one who did it.
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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You're correct. To the best of my knowledge there has never has been a time when a woman was prosecuted for having an illegal abortion; the abortion provider yes, but never the woman. To do so would probably be a first in this country.
That's my belief as well.

This from an anti-abortion site - Why the States Did Not Prosecute Women for Abortion Before Roe v. Wade - Americans United for Life Americans United for Life

Another instance of Trump speaking without knowing what he's talking about.

Although some states are now prosecuting women for miscarriages - Women Are Being Prosecuted for Losing Their Babies | VICE | United States
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Your link is to recent cases with circumstances that really have no relation to the discussion. My comment and the reply were with respect to the 1950s, 60s when doing abortions was illegal. I know of girls in high school who got one and it was frequent among the wealthy. Never heard of anyone following up with the woman criminally or otherwise. There may be a case here and there, but it was certainly not a widespread practice under the auspices of the federal government as Trump suggests it should be.
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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You're correct. To the best of my knowledge there has never has been a time when a woman was prosecuted for having an illegal abortion; the abortion provider yes, but never the woman. To do so would probably be a first in this country.
Commonwealth v. Weible (1911 in Pennsylvania)

Crissman v. State (1922 in Texas)

The main reason they were not prosecuted in the past was because they were needed to testify against the abortionist. The laws were on the book to prosecute them, but mainly they were just used as a threat. If they testified instead of being charged they were considered a second victim of the abortionist.
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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Your link is to recent cases with circumstances that really have no relation to the discussion. My comment and the reply were with respect to the 1950s, 60s when doing abortions was illegal. I know of girls in high school who got one and it was frequent among the wealthy. Never heard of anyone following up with the woman criminally or otherwise. There may be a case here and there, but it was certainly not a widespread practice under the auspices of the federal government as Trump suggests it should be.
I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to the person who claimed "To do so would probably be a first in this country."
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