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Old 03-30-2016, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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If you believe that abortion is murder then yes there should be very serious consequences including murder charges on the person who has the abortion.
If you believe that abortion is murder then how can you think otherwise?
out of his league making those decisions- rem the morning after pill?
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:22 PM
 
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Pro-lifers - explain how abortion is murder but you don't want to charge the woman who seeks out and gets the abortion.
You're not going to get an honest (or even intelligible) answer to that great question. That's because the so-called "pro-life" movement is cynically predicated on a phony concern for both women and babies. That phony concern is the smokescreen they use to manipulate laws and public opinion so they can reduce women to being broodmares for the state.

The pro-life movement tries to placate women by saying abortion is an evil being perpetrated on them by secular liberals. You know, because every 13-year-old girl raped and impregnated by their uncle really wants to have the child, but evil liberals have brainwashed them into thinking giving birth under those circumstances might be traumatic. Therefore, a woman seeking an abortion is a victim...and not a thoughtful, informed person making a difficult decision.

If logic and reason were even remotely accessible to the folks who call themselves pro-life, your question would make perfect sense. A woman trying to kill her own child by employing another party (i.e. the doctor) would be ruled criminally negligent...even more so than the doctor. However, in order to keep up the charade that pro-life people care about women, they are forced to contradict their own morality regarding the sanctity of life.

That happens frequently when you employ a faulty belief system based almost exclusively on lies and emotional manipulation.
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:26 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Kasich said the same thing in essence. His word was restrictions. Restricting something is a punishment or brings about an action if restriction is violated. If there is no consequence to breaking a restriction then it's meaningless to restrict something.
Restricting access is not punishing. You don't have to punish all parties involved to restrict or enforce something. Last I looked we don't punish a 14 year-old boy that fell in love with his 23 year-old teacher and engaged in sexual activity, we just punish the adult doing the molestation.
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:27 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Oh my where is Trump going with this?
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:28 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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So he's not just going to fly off and blurt something out to appease people,
But, that's exactly what he DID do. A few hours later his handlers issued a total 180 degree turn-around.
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:31 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Presidential views on abortion is meaningless given the Supreme Court has already decided it.

Its nothing but left wing kooks who continue to make it an issue for "points"...
We continue to "make it an issue" because the Right-to-Lifers won't let it be settled law. They've never stopped trying to get Roe vs Wade overturned and go so far as to try to make the abortion issue a Litmus Test for Supreme Court nominations. Every year they chip away in the lower courts, trying to tighten access to legal abortions. And if you have any integrity at all you'll admit that.
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:34 PM
 
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The question was stupid in the first place. .
Asking a candidate who says as part of his candidacy that abortion should be illegal and that he would work to make abortion illegal, the question has merit.

So, if trump got what he wanted and abortion became illegal, trump says women should be punished in some way, so what sort of punishment would he think is appropriate for the woman?

Basically the same question was asked of the other candidates - why aren't y'all complaining it was unfair to them to be asked (paraphrasing) 'what if abortion were illegal'?
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:34 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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We continue to "make it an issue" because the Right-to-Lifers won't let it be settled law. They've never stopped trying to get Roe vs Wade overturned and go so far as to try to make the abortion issue a Litmus Test for Supreme Court nominations. Every year they chip away in the lower courts, trying to tighten access to legal abortions. And if you have any integrity at all you'll admit that.
I admit it but it's a discussion for another thread.
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What this abortion question fiasco is doing is showing the country who this guy really is.

What he is is a political dilettante. He's way over his head, he has no idea what he thinks on the issues because he has not given them a second thought and he's a wishy-washy jerk who keeps changing his position on everything. Bye-bye Donald.

Donald Trump's 3 positions on abortion in 3 hours - CNNPolitics.com

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...he-mainstream/
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:39 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Asking a candidate who says as part of his candidacy that abortion should be illegal and that he would work to make abortion illegal, the question has merit.

So, if trump got what he wanted and abortion became illegal, trump says women should be punished in some way, so what sort of punishment would he think is appropriate for the woman?

Basically the same question was asked of the other candidates - why aren't y'all complaining it was unfair to them to be asked (paraphrasing) 'what if abortion were illegal'?
Psst.... You keep forgetting to read the memo, there are different standards for Trump than those two losers.
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