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Old 06-27-2018, 07:10 PM
 
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The Democrats would win big league each and every time if they would just return to their base, to support the working person. It's a shame that they have decided to let splinter groups decide their policy.
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Old 06-28-2018, 06:09 AM
 
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Maybe tax a fee rich people & corporations..
There aren't enough rich people to tax to fund everything they're promising. And they can't tax corporations to pay for it. Why not? American workers'/retirees' pensions, retirement accounts, and retirement benefits depend on corporate profitability. Tax increases reduce profits. See how American workers/retirees depend on corporate profits to fund their retirement:

What the $27 Trillion Worth of Investments in Corporations, Etc., Held in the Retirement System in the US Looks Like

FYI, Here is info on how European countries pay for their socialism-style benefits such as those on which Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez campaign:

How Other Developed Countries Tax and Spend

Do you think Americans would agree to switching to a European-style tax system if it meant providing European-style social program benefits?
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Old 06-28-2018, 06:18 AM
 
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I have a feeling if the incumbent ran as an independent in the general election, he could beat her. Primary's run very thin in turnout, and he has much more name recognition than she does. That could overcome the issue of people voting automatically for whoever the primary winner is. It would be interesting to see if Crowley ran as an independent, who the Party would actually support.
Very strong possibility. But if Crowley has to run as an Independent, even though he could caucus with the Dems, would his status as in Independent change any of his Committee assignments or his ranking within the Dem's House hierarchy?
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Old 06-28-2018, 06:28 AM
 
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In an interview, New York congressional primary winner Ocasio-Cortez, a socialist-progressive, said that moderate Democrats and liberal progressives can work together under a Democratic "Big Tent." Compare her with Conor Lamb, a very moderate and centrist "blue dog" from western Pennsylvania. These two candidates can represent a winning formula for the Democrats: progressives in the big cities and moderate centrists in the rural areas, forming a Democratic center-left coalition. With this approach Dems it is very conceivable the Dems could win back Congress.

Democrats are not going to win anything back by turning socialist. Conor Lamb is going to be running to the hills to distance himself from Ocasio-Cortez. He only won that district by a few hundred votes.



Furthermore, if Democrats want REAL gains, they are going to have to figure out how to win in places like NC, GA, TX, FL, etc. where 1000s of people are moving to each day. Instead of slapping a label on everyone, as Ocasio-Cortez is doing, tell people what they plan to do to improve the economy, provide defense, keep things FAIR to the working citizens of this country, and get us out of constant war.

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Old 06-28-2018, 08:09 AM
 
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Not if he played ball with them. I have a feelingthe DNC would be happier with him than the woman who beat him.

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Very strong possibility. But if Crowley has to run as an Independent, even though he could caucus with the Dems, would his status as in Independent change any of his Committee assignments or his ranking within the Dem's House hierarchy?
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:44 AM
 
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Democrats are not going to win anything back by turning socialist.
That's not how it works. Political parties don't voluntarily turn one direction or another -- policy is driven by which faction wins at the ballot box. If enough socialists win seats in Congress they will take over the DNC and force the agenda to change. It's the same thing with the Trump-Fascist Party (formerly known as the Republican Party) -- the GOP didn't voluntarily become the party of Trump. Trump and his base forced it upon them by winning elections and by fear of losing primaries.

Socialist candidates are becoming increasingly popular in some urban areas. Centrist Democrats can win in more rural areas. Thus the need for the Big Tent.
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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That's not how it works. Political parties don't voluntarily turn one direction or another -- policy is driven by which faction wins at the ballot box. If enough socialists win seats in Congress they will take over the DNC and force the agenda to change. It's the same thing with the Trump-Fascist Party (formerly known as the Republican Party) -- the GOP didn't voluntarily become the party of Trump. Trump and his base forced it upon them by winning elections and by fear of losing primaries.

Socialist candidates are becoming increasingly popular in some urban areas. Centrist Democrats can win in more rural areas. Thus the need for the Big Tent.
I think its a myth that Wall Street "centrism" is so popular in rural areas. Pro-worker social democracy is popular not only in rural areas but even among many republicans. Some "centrists" like to call themselves "moderate", but is it moderate to spend 700 billion on the military, a massive increase, while denying the American people basic dignity like health care and a proper safety net for the disabled? Some will say that yes, this is moderate, others will say it is radicalism from the Wall Street faction of the party.
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Old 06-28-2018, 10:08 AM
 
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Her win has made national news (note how this is being discussed in the general board, not NYC specific.) I'm wondering if her win, even, and especially, in a very liberal NYC district, will be used by conservatives in purple districts around the country against other Democratic candidates, as an example of who they're putting in power if Democrats are elected.
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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Not if he played ball with them. I have a feelingthe DNC would be happier with him than the woman who beat him.
Do you really think the Dems would make an Independent Speaker of the House were they ever to regain control of the House? He was next in line after Pelosi.
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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No. But I'd bet he'd keep his committee assignments. Also, sitting congresscritters can change parties. If he won as an independent, he could cut a deal to rejoin the Dems, and they'd be perfectly happy to do it.

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Do you really think the Dems would make an Independent Speaker of the House were they ever to regain control of the House? He was next in line after Pelosi.
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