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I disagree with your assessment, KanHawk. While McCain clearly is not a movement conservative he is at least a pragmatic conservative. He's a problem solver. That probably reflects his can-do military background. But he is probably the best candidate we could have to deal with a Democrat-controlled Congress. Not because he will make deals and get along with them. That was W's downfall. As aggressive as he was in foreign policy he was a wimp when it came to confronting Congress. McCain has demonstrated that he'll fight anybody, Democrat or Republican, to get the government to work the way he thinks it should work. By and large that means anti-corruption, anti-waste, anti-big government. McCain wasn't my first choice but we could do worse.
I'd like to see the republican make a push to recapture Congress and get things back on track. The dems have done virtually nothing. That's the change we should be demanding!
I'd like to see the republican make a push to recapture Congress and get things back on track. The dems have done virtually nothing. That's the change we should be demanding!
The democrat's version of change is just saying it, its the new hip thing to say. Talking about change with no plan is the new way to get elected, it makes the MyStErIoUs.
To you fellow conservatives out there do you realize we've already lost the 2008 election? We don't have to wait for November. It's over.
Obama is a hard core leftist who, if he wins, will stack the courts with loony judges imposing their personal social views on all of us no matter what the people want. He'll raise taxes right and left.
Hillary pretty much the same thing plus her big bureaucratic health care scheme from the 90s all over again.
McCain? ha! His whole career has been kicking conservatives to the curb to make deals with Democrats and with a likely increased majority of Democrats in Congress, he's just going to cut deals with them. he won't fight them.
So what will we get for the next 4 years? Higher taxes, more social engineering, very liberal judges, plus global warming regulation on every business in America.
Ah well, there's always the next election and until then, I still have ESPN.
We haven't had a real conservative in the White House since Eisenhower, it seems to me. Nixon, Bush 41 and Bush 43 have all been corporatists who had little affection for America or its people. Reagan at least showed genuine concern for the nation and his fellow Americans, thus his lasting popularity. But his administration too was under the influence of the megacorps to a large extent.
Consider this: Republicans have held the White House for 28 of the past 40 years. They've held congress for 14 of the past 16 years. They have solid control of the supreme court. Have they accomplished anything at all related to traditinal conservative principles? Has the size of the government contracted or expanded? Has the amount of government intrusion increased or decreased? Has our entaglement in foreign affairs diminished or flourished? For the past couple of decades, I have loyally voted Republican, without giving it much thought. I just assumed they were the good guys and that they'd take care of business and operate the government efficiently while defending the average citizens' rights. But have they done that?
No, the current mutation of conservatism has had a long turn at the wheel. And they've driven America into the ditch. Like millions of other Americans, I'm finally awake and taking a hard look at what these wolves in conservative clothing have done to us. I'm no longer buying their lies and whines about some "liberal agenda" that's responsible for our current sad state.
Out with the neocons. Their time has passed. It's now time to clean up the horrible mess they've left us with.
Consider this: Republicans have held the White House for 28 of the past 40 years. They've held congress for 14 of the past 16 years. They have solid control of the supreme court. Have they accomplished anything at all related to traditinal conservative principles? Has the size of the government contracted or expanded? Has the amount of government intrusion increased or decreased? Has our entaglement in foreign affairs diminished or flourished? For the past couple of decades, I have loyally voted Republican, without giving it much thought. I just assumed they were the good guys and that they'd take care of business and operate the government efficiently while defending the average citizens' rights. But have they done that?
I'm no longer buying their lies and whines about some "liberal agenda" that's responsible for our current sad state.
Out with the neocons. Their time has passed. It's now time to clean up the horrible mess they've left us with.
Amen. Hallelujah. Praise Jeebus!
I really hope more Conservatives come to the same conclusions. Conservatism isn't only about who can marry whom, abortion, and never ending wars. It's about smaller government, less spending, lower taxes, and personal freedom. Few of the Republican party faithfuls still believe this. We need to get back to our roots. The founding fathers would be ashamed.
I really hope more Conservatives come to the same conclusions. Conservatism isn't only about who can marry whom, abortion, and never ending wars. It's about smaller government, less spending, lower taxes, and personal freedom. Few of the Republican party faithfuls still believe this. We need to get back to our roots. The founding fathers would be ashamed.
I agree - but the party has been hijacked by right wing ultra conservative "in your business" nutballs. I have kept my registration w/ GOP, but probably should switch to Libertarian . . . wh/ I came close to doing. I keep thinking the party needs moderates like me . . . so I hang in there . . . but dear lord. I get downright embarrassed being associated w/ some of the absolute ignorance I hear from the far right. Just plain embarrassing! There are plenty more like me out there . . . but we are feeling beleaguered.
I believe people are responsible for themselves - and the gov't should not be IN MY BIDNESS. You don't believe in abortion - don't get one. You don't approve of gay marriage - don't marry a same sex partner. You don't believe in evolution - teach your kids whatever. Just don't push your beliefs down my throat - I am not about to swallow that stuff. You don't think the moral values in this country reflect your beliefs? Teach your kids and live your life as you please. What a bunch of judgmental, narrow-minded people.
Yep, plain embarrassing. I do not feel the need to LEGISLATE MORALITY. First of all, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. This is a country built on freedoms - seems these right-wingers are trying to TAKE AWAY freedoms. Do I care if you do something stupid? Nope as long as it doesn't affect my life. That is your right! But quit trying to impose your views on the rest of us.
Embarrassing.
No way the GOP can win this election. If George Washington himself showed up on the GOP ticket, he would not win. The country is sick of Republicans. Thank you, GWB and all you right wingers.
No way the GOP can win this election. If George Washington himself showed up on the GOP ticket, he would not win. The country is sick of Republicans. Thank you, GWB and all you right wingers.
I don't think it's absolutely impossible for the GOP to win, but I agree it's going to be very difficult. Some of that 32 percent of people who STILL support GWB don't realize what a thumping they are about to get. I shook my head in disbelief when I read the thread yesterday where an poster really believes the Democratic party is on the eve of destruction due to the Wright dust up ??!!??
All the Democrats need to do to win this year is portray McCain as another Bush. McCain can of course deny this and point out all of the ways he's not Bush, but that's going to anger the far right who truly believe in their heart of hearts that Americans don't want children to learn about evolution or that public schools are nothing more than bastions of communism and state control or that global warming is just a giant socialist conspiracy to thumb capitalism in the eye or that it truly is their business if a person is a homosexual.
McCain is in a pickle: either he campaigns trying to convince the conservatives he really is one of them -- thereby turning off the 68 percent of Americans who have disapproved of Bush policies for almost two years now; or he points out all of the ways he's not Bush ... his stance on global warming, his fairly reasonable and non radical approach to things ... angering the base.
Meanwhile, all Obama has to do is reinforce: yep, I'm not Bush. I don't support Bush policies .. never have. Yep, I'm brilliant. I was the best student of the best law school in the nation. Yep, I know how to string together a grammatically correct English sentence with a couple of four-syllable words in it.. I know it's been awhile since you've heard one of those from a president.
I hate to say it but the conservative senate and congress blew it by their my way or the highway politics. But then the democrats are doing the same thing now and even more unpopular than the republican congress.I see both parties change dirctions in both houses to the middle of their parties.
As a Dem, it is refreshing to hear from some conservatives who remember what conservatism was supposed to be about. If the Republican party actually practiced true conservatism then it wouldn't be that hard to live with them. Why you let the neocons and religious right take over your agenda I'll never know. Small government, real freedoms and fiscal responsibility - your party has lost it all. It's nuts . . .
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The democrat's version of change is just saying it, its the new hip thing to say. Talking about change with no plan is the new way to get elected, it makes the MyStErIoUs.
And this would be as opposed to campaigning with the clear statement of not believing in the use of the military for nation building and proceeding to do just that? I guess the Republican version of change is changing your stated policy after the election
And going to war with no plan is apparently the new way to get re-elected.
Add in spending like a drunken sailor and if that's supposed to attract me to a party and its candidate I confess, I don't see that attraction at all.
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