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The National Geographic Genographic Project is as credible as it gets. It is not just any study. Lack of comprehension may lead into confusion.
The Northern European genome is not Scandinavian as such, but it peaks in Northern European populations, such as Scandinavian or German, etc...
This is the explanation from the Genographic for the Northern European component:
" likely comes from the pre-agricultural population of Europe—the earliest settlers, who arrived more than 35,000 years ago during the Upper Paleolithic period. Today, this component predominates in northern European populations, while the Mediterranean component is more common in southern Europe."
And you know what, what you call Northern European also used to be present in Southern Europe, before it got mostly replaced by the farmers from the Middle East. So it is simply pointless to say we have Northern European stuff down here because it implies an "import" that just wasn't there. Most of the "Northern European" genes that can be found down here are not northern to begin with, but the remainder of what has been here for tens of thousands of years, and some of that spread from here to the North a very long time ago.
Fossils of some of the oldest blue-eyed people anywhere in Europe have been found right here on the Iberian peninsula.
You can say what you want, a study, project or whatever you want to call it that says Iberian is superficial because the peninsula is anything but homogeneous, genetically even less so than in terms of superficial looks.
Post a link to the numbers you posted.
I don't like those head measurements, they always remind me of the Nazis and other racists of the past
But people indeed look different, anyone with half a brain can see the difference. It is enough to go to a supermarket, I can tell immediately who is Portuguese and who isn't, just by looking at them. I am right in at least 9/10 cases, often I hear people talk later on while waiting at the checkout. And their languages give them away.
Such Irish heads stand out like black people or extraterrestrials
They look lighter complexioned the photos Neuling posted:
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Originally Posted by Neuling
No, not even in Northern Portugal are many people blond. Most blonde Portuguese people have dyed their hair. Look at school children, who obviously don't dye their hair, like this class from Braga:
The first group looks like it could be a group of white American schoolchildren, the Braga ones as if someone make a class of the 20% or so darkest complexioned students and no one else.
And you know what, what you call Northern European also used to be present in Southern Europe, before it got mostly replaced by the farmers from the Middle East. So it is simply pointless to say we have Northern European stuff down here because it implies an "import" that just wasn't there. Most of the "Northern European" genes that can be found down here are not northern to begin with, but the remainder of what has been here for tens of thousands of years, and some of that spread from here to the North a very long time ago.
Fossils of some of the oldest blue-eyed people anywhere in Europe have been found right here on the Iberian peninsula.
You can say what you want, a study, project or whatever you want to call it that says Iberian is superficial because the peninsula is anything but homogeneous, genetically even less so than in terms of superficial looks.
Post a link to the numbers you posted.
I would like to chime in based on the study of ancient European remains the current understanding is that all Europeans share ancestry from more than three ancient populations as previously thought but I will highlight the three main comonents. Which I have copied from a link below from an anthropology blog, also to clarify there is a calculator on Gedmatch which can calculate it for you if you have done an autosomal test and upload it. The difference is that various regions in Europe carry different proportions. For example I carry 32% EEF I am of Portuguese ancestry the typical Person from the Isles carries about 15%. My WHG result is 53% the typical person from the Isles is about 65%. My ANE result is 10% what you see from the Isles is usually 14-16%. This is utilizing the Gedmatch ANE-K7 calculator. Iberians on average carry twice as much EEF as Nortwest Europeans the closest proxy population for the EEF component isn't in the middle east but the Sardinians.
Early European Farmer (EEF): apparently this is a hybrid component, the result of mixture between "Basal Eurasians" and a WHG-like population possibly from the Balkans. It's based on a 7500 year old Linearbandkeramik (LBK) sample from Stuttgart, Germany, but today peaks at just over 80% among Sardinians.
West European Hunter-Gatherer (WHG): this ancestral component is based on an 8,000 year old forager from the Loschbour rock shelter in Luxembourg, who belonged to Y-chromosome haplogroup I2a1b. However, today the WHG component peaks among Estonians and Lithuanians, in the East Baltic region, at almost 50%.(I don't understand why he quotes 50% not what I see)
Ancient North Eurasian (ANE): this is the twist in the tale, a component based on a 24,000 year old Upper Paleolithic forager from South Central Siberia, belonging to Y-DNA R*, and known as Mal'ta boy or MA-1. This component was very likely present in Southern Scandinavia since at least the Mesolithic, but only seems to have reached Western Europe after the Neolithic. At some point it also spread into the Americas. In Europe today it peaks among Estonians at just over 18%, and, intriguingly, reaches a similar level among Scots. However, numbers weren't given in the paper for Finns, Russians and Mordovians, who, according to one of the maps, also carry very high ANE, but their results are confounded by more recent Siberian (ENA) admixture.
It is true many have immigrated to the US here is a list of some well known people of either full ancestry or partial. Lol I didn't know about the porn actress born in the Azores Jazella Moore.
Did you know that the first elected president of the Portuguese republic was from the Azores? Anyway his second wife Lucrecia was descended from families from my island and looks like one of my great grandmothers unfortunately we didn't inherit titles and large estates those were always passed to the eldest son.
The only person I know on that list is the singer of Journey. I already knew he was of Portuguese ancestry, but not that he was from the Azores in particular.
The only person I know on that list is the singer of Journey. I already knew he was of Portuguese ancestry, but not that he was from the Azores in particular.
Yeah his mother was born in a little hamlet on Pico island surrounded by woods called Prainha do Norte her family surname was Quaresma. I know the family.
I suppose if they had stayed there, he would not have become a rock singer, but maybe a shepherd instead
Yeah, you are probably related to him as well
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