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I think you can absolutely say San Francisco is mixed Asian/"European" (let's all agree "European" means Euro-American/Canadian for this bit of the discussion, and not get into a fight about it) city. As for Khabarovsk and Vladivostok, I generally don't notice this sort of thing, but when I took a small group to Khabarovsk, they immediately noticed that there were a lot of Asians. Does that mean the city is Asian? I don't know. Is Ulan Ude Russian, just because Russians built it? There are a couple of Asian-style buildings there, but even the Buryats don't know what Americans are talking about when we enthuse about these architectural gems, and suggest the city build on the Asian theme. Sometimes it takes an outsider to point out the obvious.
I think the clue should be in the name of the cities themselves - Ulan-Ude keeps its non-Russian name, so I suppose that the city has been built with local population in mind ( since the natives themselves wouldn't be able to build city like that) as a capital of Buryatia. And of course even though Russians didn't go anywhere, the city has the center of Buddhism which Russians themselves wouldn't need I would guess.
Vladivostok ( a Russian word that means just that - "rule/own the East" should give you a pretty good clue what Russians had in mind when they've built that city.
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I think what Jeff is saying is that he finds Vlad to have a more Asian feel than cities in Western Russia. This is a reasonable statement. Does that mean it's an "Asian city"? We haven't defined the criteria for what qualifies as an "Asian city". Maybe the OP should do that for us, that might be helpful. But I'm intrigued by what Jeff describes as the remnants of a Chinatown there. I'd like to see that.
When I was in Moscow last time I saw tonnes of Asians there and I've heard the languages that I've never heard before. To me it doesn't mean that Moscow became "Asian-influenced city," to me it means that things are getting out of hands and the city is overwhelmed with Asian presence because of the poor state of affairs in Russian economy/demographics.
When I was in Moscow last time I saw tonnes of Asians there and I've heard the languages that I've never heard before. To me it doesn't mean that Moscow became "Asian-influenced city," to me it means that things are getting out of hands and the city is overwhelmed with Asian presence because of the poor state of affairs in Russian economy/demographics.
What kind of Asians were these? Homegrown, or imported? I've always heard it's very difficult for Asians who are Russ. citizens to live in Moscow, because the police are always checking their documents, to make sure they have a right to live there, and most of them don't (don't have a local employer).
What kind of Asians were these? Homegrown, or imported? I've always heard it's very difficult for Asians who are Russ. citizens to live in Moscow, because the police are always checking their documents, to make sure they have a right to live there, and most of them don't (don't have a local employer).
Interesting question.
I know in Vladivostok that "swarthy" individuals (Tajiks, for example) are often stopped to show documents by special police who patrol the streets. I saw this happening quite often.
For some reason, I wouldn't think it would be like that in Moscow (due to size, being the capital, etc). Not sure why I thought that, though...
It is a Asian city. Even though it is a part of Russia.
However Vladivostok has far closer cultural and political links to Moscow than the former British settled colonies such as Australia and New Zealand in regards to the former mother country the UK.
What kind of Asians were these? Homegrown, or imported? I've always heard it's very difficult for Asians who are Russ. citizens to live in Moscow, because the police are always checking their documents, to make sure they have a right to live there, and most of them don't (don't have a local employer).
Uzbeks? Tajiks?
I have no idea - I only know that I've never seen them there before and I've never heard these languages on the streets of Moscow.
( Even Caucasians that create all this conundrum were not as visible.)
Interesting question.
I know in Vladivostok that "swarthy" individuals (Tajiks, for example) are often stopped to show documents by special police who patrol the streets. I saw this happening quite often.
For some reason, I wouldn't think it would be like that in Moscow (due to size, being the capital, etc). Not sure why I thought that, though...
It's very much like that in Moscow. St. Pete's, too.
Uzbeks? Tajiks?
I have no idea - I only know that I've never seen them there before and I've never heard these languages on the streets of Moscow.
( Even Caucasians that create all this conundrum were not as visible.)
Oh, I get it. THOSE Asians. From the former USSR. I wasn't sure if you were talking about Chinese, or about Siberians, or what. I forgot there are a lot of Central Asians working in Moscow.
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