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Old 03-16-2014, 12:32 PM
 
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In Russia, so far, most residents live there where they lived forever. And still preserve their language and culture, and in most cases it is due to Russian.
It's amazing to hear this statement considering that statistics on the native languages of the Russian citizens is readily available for each Russian region. Thorough assimilation is a norm in Russia (that includes indigenous Russian dialects and customs, btw). If you'll keep making silly claims like this, I'll look up Russian statistics for you.

Also, the history of the rise of Moscow principality is readily available for the curious minds. Any person without preconceived ideas about Mother Russia' greatness and cosmic mission would find it to be bloody and barbarous.
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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It's amazing to hear this statement considering that statistics on the native languages of the Russian citizens is readily available for each Russian region. Thorough assimilation is a norm in Russia (that includes indigenous Russian dialects and customs, btw). If you'll keep making silly claims like this, I'll look up Russian statistics for you.

Also, the history of the rise of Moscow principality is readily available for the curious minds. Any person without preconceived ideas about Mother Russia' greatness and cosmic mission would find it to be bloody and barbarous.
Yes, while the rest of Europe herded sheep and gather flowers.
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:36 PM
 
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It's amazing to hear this statement considering that statistics on the native languages of the Russian citizens is readily available for each Russian region. Thorough assimilation is a norm in Russia (that includes indigenous Russian dialects and customs, btw). If you'll keep making silly claims like this, I'll look up Russian statistics for you.

Also, the history of the rise of Moscow principality is readily available for the curious minds. Any person without preconceived ideas about Mother Russia' greatness and cosmic mission would find it to be bloody and barbarous.
what are the natives in my region? Or they do not, then you have a misconception.
If you knew the story we realized that all residents including local knowledge of the Russian language plus their mother. You need to come once and read less foolish and false books.
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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You are mistaken. Russia was formed in Great Novgorod (the Rurik dynasty). Then Rurikovichi captured Kiev and made it the capital of Russia. Moscow became the capital of Russia much later (there again rules the Rurik dynasty).
History of Kievan Rus' has very distant relation to the rise of Moscow principality. There was no any damn Russia around the time Ruricovichi captured Kiev. Rus' is most likely a name for the Skandinavian raiders who terrorized Slavic Tribes living along Dnieper river.

You just recited official Russian propaganda line tracing Russian state to the Kiev Rus', history be damned, and thus declaring all other Slavic civilizations to be "spoiled" not as "pure" as the one represented by the Russian state.
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:44 PM
 
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what are the natives in my region? Or they do not, then you have a misconception.
If you knew the story we realized that all residents including local knowledge of the Russian language plus their mother. You need to come once and read less foolish and false books.
Dear, care to cite Russian statistics on native language use? Russia is a thoroughly assimilated country, statistics is easily obtainable, and yet you keep on making this nonsense claim. Forget about books, Russian government collects data on language use.
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:44 PM
 
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History of Kievan Rus' has very distant relation to the rise of Moscow principality. There was no any damn Russia around the time Ruricovichi captured Kiev. Rus' is most likely a name for the Skandinavian raiders who terrorized Slavic Tribes living along Dnieper river.

You just recited official Russian propaganda line tracing Russian state to the Kiev Rus', history be damned, and thus declaring all other Slavic civilizations to be "spoiled" not as "pure" as the one represented by the Russian state.
Who founded Kiev?You probably do not know about the Slavic tribe Rus?About what you say Scandinavia?
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:46 PM
 
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Yes, while the rest of Europe herded sheep and gather flowers.
The rest of Europe doesn't makes claims Kamchatka comrade does.
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:46 PM
 
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History of Kievan Rus' has very distant relation to the rise of Moscow principality.
One the same area, the same people, the same ruling dynasty, but no relation to each other states do not have? Hmm. Are you sure? ))

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There was no any damn Russia around the time Ruricovichi captured Kiev. Rus' is most likely a name for the Skandinavian raiders who terrorized Slavic Tribes living along Dnieper river.
What is the difference as someone who called? The ruling dynasty was not interrupted.

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You just recited official Russian propaganda line tracing Russian state to the Kiev Rus', history be damned, and thus declaring all other Slavic civilizations to be "spoiled" not as "pure" as the one represented by the Russian state.
I do not think other Slavs "spoiled."
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:46 PM
 
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Dear, care to cite Russian statistics on native language use? Russia is a thoroughly assimilated country, statistics is easily obtainable, and yet you keep on making this nonsense claim. Forget about books, Russian government collects data on language use.
I hear it very often. My neighbor Itelmen and Koryak. Is also a member of the world-famous ensemble Mengo.Russian people ,textbooks amounted Koryak language Itelmen language. Today Russian train their native language. Need names of the authors of the textbook and biography?
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:47 PM
 
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The rest of Europe doesn't makes claims Kamchatka comrade does.
Yes, other European countries preferred to fry people on the fires of inquisition.
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