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Old 08-15-2014, 05:43 PM
 
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There are plenty of Ukrainian rebels, even the current Donetsk leader is a Ukrainian.
Yes, I've noticed that all their leaders there have been replaced with the local ones recently.
So Pavel Gubarev for example hasn't been touched - he is the local one, so is Oleg Tzarev of course.
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Old 08-15-2014, 07:23 PM
 
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Right. Dream on, boxus!
Not a dream at all, one of the most bias sources in the world, RFE/RL, puts the number of outsiders at 20%.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:39 PM
 
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An update from ColCassad.

Colonel Cassad -

If the Ukies aren't real careful they'll find themselves in a world of hurt. Considering the inept performance so far the prediction may just come true.

Vlad didn't look to good at that conference, probably sick.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:40 PM
 
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Anybody verify that Strelkov has been wounded? I heard that yesterday but nothing else.
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Old 08-16-2014, 12:23 AM
 
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Anybody verify that Strelkov has been wounded? I heard that yesterday but nothing else.
Only rumors, but ( at least ) Tzarev denied it.
Rus. Vesna ( or rather the new leader of DNR Zacharchenko) is saying on that site that Strelkov "took a month of vacation" and is currently in Moscow. Then, they say, he is coming back to Donbass, where he has got a "a new job."
However Strelkov is suspiciously absent from public eye lately and the Icorpus ( from what I understand the site where he used to leave updates) hasn't been updated for the last few days.
As I've mentioned earlier, recent attempts to discredit him publicly didn't come out of nowhere.
His last response (to it) dated by 08/05 on Icorpus site.
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Old 08-16-2014, 02:01 AM
 
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about that supposed Russian military convoy that allegedly entered
Ukraine in the night to Friday and was allegedly destroyed in big parts
by Ukrainian artillery ...

Rasmussen had confirmed it
most German online newspapers had it in their headlines yesterday,
mainly speaking of new escalation
but no proofs or pictures were given although the Swedish foreign secretary
said that these do exist
USA didn't confirm it
Russia denies it
Poroschenko communicated it via facebook

best , realistic , nonsensational report in Germany that I found was from Deutschlandfunk

some days ago I remember Rasmussen saying that Russian military intervention
in Ukraine were likely.

makes me suspicious about Rasmussen - shouldn't he be replaced ?
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OK, he will be replaced 2014/09/30 by Jens Stoltenberg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Fogh_Rasmussen

As Prime Minister, Rasmussen strongly supported the 2003 Iraq War.
> Iraq has WMDs. It is not something we think, it is something we know

Rumors then spread around Rasmussen's candidacy for Secretary General of NATO.[16]
Rasmussen denied the rumors until a few days before the official announcement of his
selection was made.[17]

[ not someone that I would trust ]

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Old 08-16-2014, 06:27 AM
 
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Anybody verify that Strelkov has been wounded? I heard that yesterday but nothing else.
BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Rebel military chief Strelkov 'quits'

There was the rumor that he got wounded pretty badly, they denied it, he got replaced and hasn't appeared on TV/in public ever since.
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Old 08-16-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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Thanx Viri.

An interesting article about Ukraine selling weapons components to Russia. A great example of why this whole western sponsored coup is utter madness. Ukraine and Russia are inextricably linked when it comes to economic dependence. Who's going to buy engines and machine parts from the Ukraine if Russia can't or doesn't? Germany?

Ukraine factories equip Russian military despite support for rebels - The Washington Post
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Old 08-16-2014, 12:22 PM
 
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So let's see the situation on the ground today August 16th, 2014 : the Ukies have not seized one inch of territory since 2 months (when the Novorossia forces retreateds tactically from Slaviansk)- winned some, lost some, in the end it's the statu quo. The chocolate oligarch boasted , I remember, all would be over by mid-july.
Time to seat around the negotiating table in my opinion - anyway that is what rational, civilized people would do-. But maybe the negotiating table is something too cool for the western "soft power " (an oxymoron) sponsors of Mr. Poroschenko and his neonazis friends....
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Old 08-16-2014, 04:34 PM
 
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Not exactly Pigeon, they have made gains but losses have been tremendous. 257 tanks lost. 126 destroyed and 141 taken by the rebs. How many of those destroyed were recovered is unknown. Rebs have competent well supported mechanics that can keep theirs going. Supposedly east of Lugansk they had a tank fight yesterday. The rebs knocked out 7 Ukie vehicles while only one of theirs was damaged.

Lost Armour | ?????? ????????????

The rebs are punching far above their weight but have been slowly giving ground. The Ukies face a highly mobile, hard hitting, experienced, well supported, highly motivated and well organized resistance. The withdrawal was a smart move, fight on your ground not theirs. The Ukies have **** poor leadership, abysmal coordination, cooperation all round and have to do twice the work tactically.

The Ukies will probably win or be forced to the table, the rebs aren't going to stop humping till they're finished that's for sure.
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