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Old 10-31-2017, 07:22 AM
 
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Oh you already saw it?
I wanted to give you a fair warning that that's what it was - a usual concoction of American propaganda. A spin doctors at their best.
And then they get all indignant, how Putin dares to do the same))))
Yeah. I was 5 minutes in and I knew it was going to be a goodie. I just love how there's only one side in these programs. They just don't like constructive debate in the west. Honest, constructive debate is how societies are made. It's what makes us so great. That's not a product that will help people to understand one another.
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Old 10-31-2017, 12:19 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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It's not that important "why Putin sees the US as a threat." It's more important how Russian general population sees the US and why.
It doesn't matter what the Russian general population thinks as they are told what to think. And for about 6 years now they have been told that the West is their enemy, not their corrupt government.
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Old 10-31-2017, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Russia
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It doesn't matter what the Russian general population thinks as they are told what to think. And for about 6 years now they have been told that the West is their enemy, not their corrupt government.
DKM, United States destroyed Yugoslavia and changed the borders of Europe for the first time since the WWII by force. United States destroyed Iraq, Hussein was hanged in a loop. United States destroyed Libya, Kadaffi was beaten with sticks. North Korea understands this and is trying to create nuclear weapons in a short time. Because otherwise they are waiting for the same result. A corrupt government is Russia's problem. The stupidity of United States is problem of the whole world.
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Old 10-31-2017, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Finland
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DKM, United States destroyed Yugoslavia and changed the borders of Europe for the first time since the WWII by force.
Total BS. Russia was the first to change borders by force since WWII by annexing Crimea.

Yugoslavia collapsed because it was impossible to maintain anymore, just like the USSR. US didn't start the Balkan wars, and didn't force Serbians to massacre Bosniaks and Albanians.
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Old 10-31-2017, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Total BS. Russia was the first to change borders by force since WWII by annexing Crimea.

Yugoslavia collapsed because it was impossible to maintain anymore, just like the USSR. US didn't start the Balkan wars, and didn't force Serbians to massacre Bosniaks and Albanians.
Maybe the first Ukraine? Crimea was annexed without a referendum and the consent of the inhabitants. Why you forgot about it?

And with the Crimea ,no annexation,referendum,independence,entrance into the Russian Federation. Or you don't care about the opinion of the indigenous population?
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Old 10-31-2017, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Maybe the first Ukraine? Crimea was annexed without a referendum and the consent of the inhabitants. Why you forgot about it?

And with the Crimea ,no annexation,referendum,independence,entrance into the Russian Federation. Or you don't care about the opinion of the indigenous population?
Crimea was given to the Ukrainian SSR by Khrushchev. I see that you have forgot that. And why do you don't care about the Budapest agreement - where Ukraine gave away its nuclear weapons and in exchange Russia promised to respect Ukraine's borders?

And I care about the opinion of the indigenous population - the Crimean Tatars.
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Old 10-31-2017, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Total BS. Russia was the first to change borders by force since WWII by annexing Crimea.
NATO didn't use force in Yugoslavia? Borders didn't change? Ariete, stop your propaganda, use facts.

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Yugoslavia collapsed because it was impossible to maintain anymore, just like the USSR. US didn't start the Balkan wars, and didn't force Serbians to massacre Bosniaks and Albanians.
Only UN can solve such issues. Not NATO bombs.
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Old 10-31-2017, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Russia
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And I care about the opinion of the indigenous population - the Crimean Tatars.
May be also ask another indigenous populations: Greeks, Genoese or Romans?
By the way, do you know main profitable business of the Tatars before arrival of Russians?
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Old 10-31-2017, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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NATO didn't use force in Yugoslavia? Borders didn't change? Ariete, stop your propaganda, use facts.



Only UN can solve such issues. Not NATO bombs.


What was NATO supposed to do? Wait with its hands tied with Russian veto in the UN while Serbs were killing and raping Bosnians?
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Old 10-31-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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May be also ask another indigenous populations: Greeks, Genoese or Romans?
By the way, do you know main profitable business of the Tatars before arrival of Russians?
Brigrandry? I heard they loved raping and pillaging the lands to the north of the penninsula. The salt merchants hated them. The Chechens of the mountains did the same thing to the farmers of the foothills and plains of southern Russia.
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